Conley to start soon.

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  1. homeytennis

    homeytennis Well-Known Member

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    Conley was really good in Dave Joerger's offense. Perhaps Quin can try and replicate some of those plays when Conley is on the floor.
     
  2. latin jazz

    latin jazz Well-Known Member

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    He is never been Russ, but he does look quick and similar to what I've seen from him in recent years. So we agree to disagree in that. I'm also paying a lot of attention on his closeouts and defense. He is been getting to the rim a bit more. Something to pay attention to in upcoming games.
     
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  3. The Thriller

    The Thriller Well-Known Member

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    But when he gets to the rim (usually off a screen because he doesn’t have the quickness to create on his own) it is very Trey Burkesque how he misses/gets stuffed. And his shooting percentage proves it.
     
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  4. latin jazz

    latin jazz Well-Known Member

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    Yup, but I think it has to do with his strenght, height and jumping ability, not quickness. He's never been able to go through people. He get pushed around due to his size. Thats why he honed a killer ambidextrous floater over the years (not falling this year though). If his floater is gone then he has no way to score inside (except at the ft line, something unlikely as he ages)

    Edit: almost everyone on the Jazz uses a screen to create separation/advantage. It's our offense and how we should use the best screener in the league.
     
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  5. Joncolton

    Joncolton Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't be surprised if Conley starts tonight, there isn't really a better matchup to try it against than Dame & CJ McCollum - a 6'2 and 6'3 guard vs a 6'1" and 6'1" guard. The height advantage is minimal, and Dame has a 6'8" wingspan, CJ has a 6'6" wingspan while Conley's is 6'6" and Donovan's is 6'10".

    The two point guard experiment seems to have worked very well in Portland.
     
  6. homeytennis

    homeytennis Well-Known Member

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    Portland beat the Lakers last night in LA.
     
  7. jom2003

    jom2003 Well-Known Member

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    Except it did not... Por is a team that struggles in the playoffs every year cuz of their midget backcourt. You need to have elite front court like Toronto last year to make up for such deficiency
     
  8. jom2003

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    Unfortunately I don't think we have the pieces(big men that can score outside of the painted area) to mimic such system. Conley’s driving space is taken away with Rudy’s presence in the paint.
     
  9. homeytennis

    homeytennis Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps pair him with Morgan. He has shown he can knock down the outside shot at least with the Stars. That would mean Mikey would be coming off the bench.
     
  10. The Thriller

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    the screen issue wasn’t meant to take a very important role in my criticism. I understand it’s a part of our offense. However, Conley was supposed to be able to create his own shot. Especially on nights when Mitchell might be struggling. And I have yet to see him be able to do this. Largely due to his lack of athleticism.

    I’m not Going to get into strength, quickness, or jumping ability. My issues are:

    1. His lack of size. Many pointed this out over the offseason how he and Mitchell together would make us very small.
    2. His lack of athleticism. He appears to have lost a step to me. Whether that’s due to Age or injury, it doesn't matter.
    3. His poor shooting.
    4. His seemingly inability to mesh with the team. Whether that’s due to injury, it doesn’t matter. He hasn’t shown the ability to be effective as a Non-ball dominant Guard. This makes us a worse team because we’re better when jingles and Mitchell are handling the ball.

    Again, I can’t be the only one noticing the similarities between Burke and Conley’s inability to create their own shots, finish inside, or consistently score from the perimeter, right?
     
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  11. Wes Mantooth

    Wes Mantooth Well-Known Member

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    Starting or not, I think Conley has a big game and goes for 16/4/3 or something.
     
  12. The Thriller

    The Thriller Well-Known Member

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    A Conley BIG game = What Mudiay and Clarkson give us on a regular basis.
     
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  13. Wes Mantooth

    Wes Mantooth Well-Known Member

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    It seems that way but our best five man lineup with Conley in it before he recently returned was one of the best in the league.
     
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  14. jom2003

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    This is what most of us got wrong about Conley. We thought Conley could be our version of CJ McCollum or Lou but Conley is not really in the same conversation with these guys in terms of shot creating. Hes more of a pick and roll scorer who heavily relies on the big man setting the screen and creating the space cuz he can't consistently beat his man off the dribble or drain shots in defenders face like we've seen with mudiay's fadeaway jumper. He needs an offense set up for him to get going
     
  15. JazzyFresh

    JazzyFresh Well-Known Member

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    Sorry to come off as a jerk but you're talking out of your *** here and just making stuff up. Yes he's a pick and roll guy but to say he struggles or can't create is flat out false.


     
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  16. JazzyFresh

    JazzyFresh Well-Known Member

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    Lol Mudiay didn't do a single thing last game btw. I'm not hating on the guy as I don't believe for a second the loss was on him and I think he has a role but some of you dudes wouldn't know a double standard if it hit you in the face. I mean Conley put up 12 points(some driving the lane, I know at least one floater) and was crucified by some, Mudiay puts up 0 pts and 3 rebounds and people are saying that helped? Lol.
     
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  17. Wes Mantooth

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    Conley’s balls drop tonight.

    Folks, that’s what you call a pun.
     
  18. latin jazz

    latin jazz Well-Known Member

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    We agree on many points, except his quickness. For me he looks like last year. But it's subjective for both if us (hard to measure, keep track of it). He is not making shoots obviously. The difference is some remain optimistic he will start hitting shoots he usually make. Others think he is washed. Where lies the truth? Hard to tell this soon (others disagree and think there is enough evidence). I'm on the first group.

    Edit: about Burke. Both are short and not great athletes. But I think Conley is quicker and more skilled (Burke never developed a killer floater, he mostly relied on long jumpers...and he was never a great shooter to begin with)
     
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  19. infection

    infection Well-Known Member Staff Member 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    Wes has officially ushered in the Mike Conley era.

    Go ahead, bookmark this moment. People referencing the Baby Yoda Donovan or Dr. Jazz, people will look back to this moment.
     
  20. Jingled

    Jingled Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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    Welp…here we go.

     

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