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Core 4 (or 5) comparisons

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To emulate (not saying they will be as good, just that they would be good role models)

Kanter: Moses Malone
Hayward: Manu
Favors: Dwight Howard
Alec: DWade
Trey: Stockton
 
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Sirkickyass said:
Derrick Favors: Moses Malone. His defense is fine and is coming along so well that no one can say he won't get there. But Moses is the gold standard for this kind of broad shouldered bull-of-a-man kind of player on the other side. Favors should resist people telling him to become something he's not an embrace what he is: a beast that must be fouled every time he gets up a head of steam. I don't believe Favors will ever be as good as Moses, but that's the tape he should be watching.
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Huge Sixers fan during the Moses Malone era. It would be a big mistake for Favors to emulate Malone, in my opinion. Completely different athleticism and defensive potential. Below the rim versus above the rim. Favors has explosiveness and quickness, Moses was a immovable bull.
 
silesian said:
Huge Sixers fan during the Moses Malone era. It would be a big mistake for Favors to emulate Malone, in my opinion. Completely different athleticism and defensive potential. Below the rim versus above the rim. Favors has explosiveness and quickness, Moses was a immovable bull.
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As far as defense goes would Kanter be closer to Moses?
 
silesian said:
Huge Sixers fan during the Moses Malone era. It would be a big mistake for Favors to emulate Malone, in my opinion. Completely different athleticism and defensive potential. Below the rim versus above the rim. Favors has explosiveness and quickness, Moses was a immovable bull.
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That does sound a lot like Kanter...
 
Grandpa Jazz said:
Sir......................s, Been a long time since i have posted anything, but being possibly one of the few members who actually remember a young Moses Malone i can tell you that at about Derrick's present age Moses was not anything like the "bull-of-a-man" we all fondly remember scattering bodies around the courts of the NBA. He was slim and could jump like a pogo stick with a motor. It was said that he could jump and then relaunch himself faster than any man alive. Four or five years later he started to fill out those shoulders and became a legendary rebounder. Derrick was seemingly born with those shoulders and will have his own path to follow and we can all hope that he approaches Malone's stature as a player. I would not expect Favors to ever be the rebounder that Moses was but has the possibility of being as good or even better scorer if he develops right and listens closely enough to the other Malone. Small sidelight to your excellent post.
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Bravo, excellent post, very insightful. And great reminder of what Moses was in early versus late career. I added a clip of young Moses to show the folks who may not have had the pleasure to see this amazing player in his prime.
 
Trey Burke = Steve Nash
Alec Burks = Ron Harper
Gordon Hayward = Scottie Pippen
Derrick Favors = Amare Stoudemire (offense only)
Enes Kanter = Bill Laimbeer
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Gordon Hayward - Kevin Durant. Yes seriously. He needs to be a knock down 3pt shooter who can make plays for others when he's double teamed. He has already worked on being more physical and drawing fouls, and that's what Durant does best.
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Hayward is having a great game today VS POR as he keeps drawing foul after foul after foul, Durant style. (End of 3rd Quarter: 8-11 FT, 20 pts)


When every guys on the floor are struggling, this is what Hayward needs to do to keep us in the game. Good to see him starting to be able to do this really well now.
 
Tarpley is a good call. It is easy to disregard him but he was well on his way to being one of the top big men to play the game. Guy was a stud before he derailed himself. Kinda sad really.
 
I'll play....

For Kanter, he has the energy of Rony Seikaly and should try to keep developing post moves like Kevin McHale. Add a jump shot and we're good to go. I'm not seeing quite as much Bill Laimbeer toughness and wrestler mentality, but maybe some of that's unnecessary.

For Hayward, he should try to have the defensive impact of a Bobby Jones, shoot and drive like Dan Majerle, and pass like Hornacek.

Derrick Favors should go ahead and try to be Shawn Kemp or Antonio McDyess on offense. Right now, I'm seeing Kevin Willis--the borderline All Star Kevin Willis who averaged 15 boards and was unmovable on defense.

Jeremy Evans is basically Thadeus Young. He's lucky to be getting rotation minutes.

Trey Burke has been in the league for like 20 minutes, but I'm still seeing a Damon Stoudamire PG. Offensively can do things Jameer Nelson does, but he has better feel and slightly better speed. He's probably going to have a tough go of it when he matches up with Derek Rose and Russel Westbrook.

Alec Burks is a slightly unconventional player. I see a bit of a Jamal Crawford mentality, but he's more a slasher than a cross-up jump shooter. Players like Vernon Maxwell and Vincent Askew come to mind, but I think Burks is still defining himself as a player. Burks actually has the tools to do some of what Monta Ellis and James Harden do offensively.
 
dalamon said:
What, being fringe-allstars? I never said that they aren't. Then again, your point is about as powerful as saying that Hayward is pretty close to Josh Smith.




Why does it have to be a white-dude who had the facilitating capabilities of Smush Parker? Even Mike Miller is a better comp (as far as white dudes are concerned) than Matt Harpring. What about Josh Howard? Richard Jefferson started off at 6'7" and 222. Grant Hill was 6'8 and 225 as well-- and a pre-prime Grant is pretty much Gordon's ceiling IMO. Not hard to find a closer body-comp AT ALL.




Put the condescending ******** away. What the **** do you know about Moses Malone, with this logic? Nothing I have said has assaulted Harpring the player. Obviously he put up fringe all-star numbers.



I would be absolutely furious with 1.7 APG, seeing as Al Jefferson averaged more assists in all three of his seasons with the Jazz. Particularly seeing as we will be running our offense through Hayward for most of the season, by all accounts of the coaching staff. We don't need Hayward hitting 20ppg. If Hayward averaged 1.7 APG, we will not get past 18 wins this season.



This is fair. I definitely want Hayward averaging a better FG%. I'm far less-concerned about his rebounds, seeing as we have a plethora of capable rebounders on this roster.

I just think that there are much better players that Hayward should emulate-- even those that aren't too lofty. A post-game is definitely important-- but how about he implements some of Manu's game into his own? I think emulating Manu makes much more sense with where our team is headed. Every player in the NBA could probably take a couple things from Matt's game, but it doesn't meant that he should be the #1 choice of emulation.


Which comes back to my initial point. Harpring and Hayward only share (somewhat) of a similarity in height/weight, and skin colour. The differences are essentially drastic after that.
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Smush parker lol
 
Catchall said:
I'll play....

For Kanter, he has the energy of Rony Seikaly and should try to keep developing post moves like Kevin McHale. Add a jump shot and we're good to go. I'm not seeing quite as much Bill Laimbeer toughness and wrestler mentality, but maybe some of that's unnecessary.

For Hayward, he should try to have the defensive impact of a Bobby Jones, shoot and drive like Dan Majerle, and pass like Hornacek.

Derrick Favors should go ahead and try to be Shawn Kemp or Antonio McDyess on offense. Right now, I'm seeing Kevin Willis--the borderline All Star Kevin Willis who averaged 15 boards and was unmovable on defense.

Jeremy Evans is basically Thadeus Young. He's lucky to be getting rotation minutes.

Trey Burke has been in the league for like 20 minutes, but I'm still seeing a Damon Stoudamire PG. Offensively can do things Jameer Nelson does, but he has better feel and slightly better speed. He's probably going to have a tough go of it when he matches up with Derek Rose and Russel Westbrook.

Alec Burks is a slightly unconventional player. I see a bit of a Jamal Crawford mentality, but he's more a slasher than a cross-up jump shooter. Players like Vernon Maxwell and Vincent Askew come to mind, but I think Burks is still defining himself as a player. Burks actually has the tools to do some of what Monta Ellis and James Harden do offensively.
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Good call except James Harden part for Burks.
 
Grandpa Jazz said:
Sir......................s, Been a long time since i have posted anything, but being possibly one of the few members who actually remember a young Moses Malone i can tell you that at about Derrick's present age Moses was not anything like the "bull-of-a-man" we all fondly remember scattering bodies around the courts of the NBA. He was slim and could jump like a pogo stick with a motor. It was said that he could jump and then relaunch himself faster than any man alive. Four or five years later he started to fill out those shoulders and became a legendary rebounder. Derrick was seemingly born with those shoulders and will have his own path to follow and we can all hope that he approaches Malone's stature as a player. I would not expect Favors to ever be the rebounder that Moses was but has the possibility of being as good or even better scorer if he develops right and listens closely enough to the other Malone. Small sidelight to your excellent post.
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Hey Grandpa what is up?
how is that Turkish in-law doing?
I am Tark from Jazzhoops,
it has been a long while sir.
Best Regards
 
Jeff Jones

Catchall said:
I'll play....
For Hayward, he should try to have the defensive impact of a Bobby Jones, shoot and drive like Dan Majerle, and pass like Hornacek.
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Nice, although I'd simplify by skipping DMajerle and go with a defensive BJones and an offensive JHornacek. That's an allstar.
 
Catchall said:
Okay, but Hayward isn't really the shooter that Hornacek was.
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He isn't the shooter Majerle was either frankly. But he could reach that level, but I doubt he will ever be as good as Hornacek in that regard.
 
The Blue Elephant said:
You guys remind me of guys who try to convince themselves that some chick that they are with is hot. You have to reallllly squint your eyes to see these comparisons.
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Or just have a lot of alcohol. There are a lot of concession stands at the ESA. Just keep drinking until Jeremy Evans begins to look like LeBron James.
 
YB85 said:
I like the Moses comparison, but more for Kanter than Favors. Favors reminds me of Roy Tarpley before drugs/suspension derailed his career. Hayward is like Shandon Anderson: does a lot of things, comes up big at crucial moments, but also has games where he fades into the background or has a turnover on a simple play that is a killer. Burks is Correy Maggette. I'll wait until I see more of Burke before I put him in the comparison box.
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Good call on Burks. I've been saying he could be a Maggette-type player for a couple of years. And I'll rep you for the Tarpley reference. Not sold on the Hayward/Anderson comparison. Shandon was never a leader like Hayward is. And his offense came about through others. He didn't really set players up like Hayward does. In many respects, Hayward is our new AK. Take away the blocks and add in much better shooting. Obviously AK was a much better defensive player and Gordon is much better offensively. And each has an annoying hobby that could derail their careers and off-season work (Russian novels vs. video games). Hayward is going to fill up the stat sheet. I look for his scoring to be in the 16-18 range with 4 assistsr, 4 rbds, 1 block and 1 steal. And I think he's going to get to the line a lot more as well. Despite his struggles, which usually happen in the first few months of the year, Hayward still has a career shooting avg of 45%/40%. There's a reason he gets invited to the US team camp. Gordon is all-star caliber quality. I predict we're going to be surprised by the offer the Jazz have to match this summer.
 
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