Coronavirus

[Red]

Listen to Gov Cuomo in this clip.

I think his daily briefings have been held late mornings Eastern time, and the wife and I have listened to him quite a bit. I did see the entirety of that briefing. We both find Cuomo to be very impressive. To myself, anyway, he conveys strong leadership, and an understanding of how to respond that I just don't get from Trump.

I know Trump has not simply sat on his hands altogether, but I have taken to not listening when his own briefings start, around 5 pm Eastern each day. And to hear him say that the US has tested more people in the last 8 days than others have in the last 8 weeks, I'm not sure off the top who he is talking about for those 8 weeks, but I think it is not true that we are doing the knock it out of the park level of testing that he seems to be conveying. I found his statement typical Trump fairy tail presentations.

The contrast of the leadership he conveys, and that which Cuomo conveys, is stark, IMO, and don't favor Trump, IMO. Yet, I read in the New York Post that Trump's daily TV ratings compare to the ratings for Monday night football. And he must know it. Now, he leads off every briefing, and sometimes Dr. Fauci, standing behind him, looks crushed. Fauci has asked the press to stop trying to drive a wedge between he and Trump, but reports have emerged that he is not crazy about some of the contrary positions Fauci has taken.

Sad if true: reports that Democratic governors understand, or believe, they must tread very carefully when addressing their concerns over the federal response, for fear that Trump will short change them if they criticise that response too strongly.

 

[silesian]

It's called hyperbole.


But no one is talking the actual stats including in the country it originated. Nothing indicates this even is currently as bad as the flu, let alone will lead to hundreds of thousands dead in the long run. Talk to facts, not panic and assumptions.

You are spouting your opinion and calling it facts.

Why don’t you tell us with your facts how many people would die from covid 19 is we treat it the same as we treat the common flu season. No shutdowns, no social distancing, no extra purchases of medical supplies. Just apples to apples, flu versus covid 19, everything else equal. No opinions, just facts.

 

[Red]

The flu is endemic. I don't think the seasonal flu overwhelms the ability of our hospitals to respond to it. Pandemics can overwhelm. Shortage of protective measures for our health care workers, and shortages of ventilators and beds for the seriously ill, are a recipe for a disastrous event, regardless of which bug would actually kill more, if both bugs were endemic. I imagine waves for both, but for a pandemic like Covid-19, the wave can be closer to tsunami-level, I imagine.

 

[Miggs]

It’s honestly as if some people have tuned out the experts and can’t analyze basic math.

 

[Stars Fan]

from the guardian:

According to Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, COVID-19's mortality rate is probably about 1%, which is still about 10 times the flu's.

Thanks for sharing facts.

Ground truth, not alternative spin about what we want it to be, is essential to taking appropriate action.

 

[silesian]

Looks like your arguing a point no one is making. I haven't seen any claims we are going to be dead in a week or that we won't get a vaccine eventually. If that's the bar you think the discourse is at then sure that's an overreaction. Hasn't been what I've seen though.

He is overreacting by making up stories about people overreacting. Ironic, no?

 

[silesian]

It’s honestly as if some people have tuned out the experts and can’t analyze basic math.

One finding of the 911 Report was that it was basically a failure of imagination. Everything that happened was, in hindsight, pretty easy to see as a possibility and could have been mitigated.

The COVID 10 naysayers and minimizers also suffer a failure of imagination. They see what is happening in the world and say "it's not so bad, in Wuhon only X deaths, not bad compared to the flu" Their imagination fails to see what would have happened if the Chinese did not lockdown the region and the deaths that would have occurred, which of course would have dwarfed any influenza numbers.

Then they say that locking down the economy is stupid because such few people died.

Circularly illogical.

 

[silesian]

The flu is endemic. I don't think the seasonal flu overwhelms the ability of our hospitals to respond to it. Pandemics can overwhelm. Shortage of protective measures for our health care workers, and shortages of ventilators and beds for the seriously ill, are a recipe for a disastrous event, regardless of which bug would actually kill more, if both bugs were endemic. I imagine waves for both, but for a pandemic like Covid-19, the wave can be closer to tsunami-level, I imagine.

Shut up with your facts and logic. :- )

 

[PJF]

 

[Stars Fan]

More on the shortage of ventilators...there is a longer version of this 5 minute video if you wonder what she is talking about at the end. (Google Emily Porter whiteboard)
I realize this is an opinion piece, but it's an informed opinion.

 

[Jazzmix]

Oh yeah, people will die because of those greedy, lazy, useless artists... You're a ****ing clown.

 

[JimLes]

It’s honestly as if some people have tuned out the experts and can’t analyze basic math.

So in other words, things are the same as they've always been.