Coronavirus

[Deleted member 365]

Seems to echo somewhat what I was saying. The presidency is a TV show to Trump, and he wants a second season. The virus ruins the ratings. The virus is a bad look. He didn’t want to let people infected with the virus off the cruise ship because it would make the numbers go up. He’s still stuck in that illogic.

It ruins Trump’s presidency to make the virus more visible, and he is apparently trying to mold the reality of the virus in an image more conducive to “this is a success story”.

His boldest rejection of reality yet maybe.

Rejection of reality. If we were not hopelessly saturated with impeachable behavior for 3 1/2 years, making us numb to it all, and if the entire Republican party were not under his thumb, this rejection of reality surely would bring the 25th amendment into play.

Not only does the emperor have no clothes. He’s also nuts.

That’s exactly it. He’s the reality tv president.

He wasted months that could’ve been used to step up testing because he didn’t want to spook the stock markets. It backfired because the pandemic hit and hit hard.

He then wasted another month doing stupid press conferences thinking that he could con us into thinking that his administration had this under control. It backfired Because those press conferences revealed how he is completely in over his head and governors publicly called him out.

He’s so disinterested in reading, so incurious, and knows that to try to step up testing now would take too long to jumpstart the economy before the election. So he’s going to try to put pressure on governors to “open up” by sicking Fox News and his cult followers on governors and health officials. His thinking is that if he can jumpstart the economy, even if it means far more death, it will help his re-election.

This is what happens when you empower a malignant narcissist. Notice, he shows zero empathy for the 70,000+ dead. Zero. He stays up late not because he’s bothered by the death, but to rant about how he’s being covered by the media. He gets up early to attack people like George Conway. Most presidents would feel terrible over the death and suffering this is causing. Not trump.

Do we really want four more years of this?

 

[sahlensguy]

The benefit and risk is never equal. Why would you expect it to be? Perhaps in an idyllic world, but this isn't one, not for anyone, not in any country. Fwiw, people being able to spend disposable income would be really, really, good for everyone.

Now. I've played along. I've answered your question. You ever going to try what you've been asked, or shall I give up?

Of course the benefit to risk equation is not equal. It never has been and never will be. The ruling class will always step on and take advantage of the unfortunate and unlucky. But adding to the momentum to open the economy back up is expecting those entry level and front line workers to risk MORE than they did before the pandemic for no added benefit for themselves. It is they who pay the even bigger price while it is others who want the economy open which results in an even bigger inequality. Sorry you think it's a game.

The answer to your question thiugh lies somewhere not in unemployment benefits but in a guaranteed minimum income for all.

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

Of course the benefit to risk equation is not equal. It never has been and never will be. The ruling class will always step on and take advantage of the unfortunate and unlucky. But adding to the momentum to open the economy back up is expecting those entry level and front line workers to risk MORE than they did before the pandemic for no added benefit for themselves. It is they who pay the even bigger price while it is others who want the economy open which results in an even bigger inequality. Sorry you think it's a game.

The answer to your question thiugh lies somewhere not in unemployment benefits but in a guaranteed minimum income for all.

You sound like a smug white dude with a secure income, bitching about the working class wanting to get back to providing for theirs. Patronizing the front line workers... You one of those out of work?

 

[sahlensguy]

You sound like a smug white dude with a secure income, bitching about the working class wanting to get back to providing for theirs. Patronizing the front line workers... You one of those out of work?

I'm out of work without a secure income. You?

 

[Deleted member 365]

We’re running out of excuses. Is Germany really that much richer, more educated, and better organized than we are? What happened to american exceptionalism? Losing 2,500+ per day isn’t necessary. We don’t need to choose between economic ruin and killing thousands. Come on, we can figure this out. This is the key:

 

[One Brow]

Do you know her?

I know they have food stamps in Texas, like everywhere else. I know human nature is to raise the stakes when making an emotional argument.

 

[Scat]

All I'm saying is that "feed my kids" was disingenuous.

What do you think her reason was for ignoring shutdown orders?

 

[One Brow]

What do you think her reason was for ignoring shutdown orders?

I'm sure some part of her lifestyle was under severe stress. She might have even been on the verge of bankruptcy. I've been there, and I have 5 kids. Never had to worry about whether they had food.

 

[Archie Moses]

I know they have food stamps in Texas, like everywhere else. I know human nature is to raise the stakes when making an emotional argument.

So that makes what she said disingenuous?

 

[One Brow]

So that makes what she said disingenuous?

"Not candid or sincere" - yes.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Okay, let's make a few things clear:

#1 No one enjoys stay at home orders. No one. This tribalism of blaming Democrats or health experts for tanking the economy is ridiculous. We economy was tanked by the pandemic. It won't recover until we have better testing and tracing, or treatments, or vaccines.
#2 If you want a return to "normal" life and economic activity, then aim your anger towards Donald and his administration. For 3 months they wasted time instead of preparing for this. For 3 months they ignored intelligence reports and downplayed the severity of this pandemic. Since the pandemic, they've done little to ramp up testing and tracing on a national basis. Donald has mostly just sat around and watched tv, tweeted, and conducted embarrassing press conferences where he tore into reporters and suggested people use disinfectant. Stop playing political games by blaming experts. Stop blaming China. We didn't need to rely on them to tell us anything, that's why we have our own intelligence apparatus (intelligence that Donald ignored).
Instead of bailing Trump out by minimizing the deaths of thousands or proposing false dichotomies of "economy vs health", demand that our federal government follow the leadership set by South Korea and Germany. We don't need to re-invent the wheel here. We just need leadership.

I'll re-insert this here for those who might've missed it. This is Germany's response:

 

[RandyForRubio]

Of course the benefit to risk equation is not equal. It never has been and never will be. The ruling class will always step on and take advantage of the unfortunate and unlucky. But adding to the momentum to open the economy back up is expecting those entry level and front line workers to risk MORE than they did before the pandemic for no added benefit for themselves. It is they who pay the even bigger price while it is others who want the economy open which results in an even bigger inequality. Sorry you think it's a game.

The answer to your question thiugh lies somewhere not in unemployment benefits but in a guaranteed minimum income for all.

You failed to answer the question. Wanna try again?