Coronavirus

[fishonjazz]

i have no idea what your point is other than you're happy to blindly trust what you're told. I was very much that way pre Covid.

Nah, i just dont blindly think everything and everyone is out to get me. Just not my style. I dont scare easy. I know my family doctor very well and know that she cares about me and my families health. You want me to distrust her if she recommends a booster shot but i will continue to trust her rather than you. Sorry

 

[Douchebag K]

Nah, i just dont blindly think everything and everyone is out to get me. Just not my style. I dont scare easy. I know my family doctor very well and know that she cares about me and my families health. You want me to distrust her if she recommends a booster shot but i will continue to trust her rather than you. Sorry

lol excellent i'm glad it's clear that you know your doctor has your best interests. I've also got a doctor i'm confident with. as for thinking everyone is out to get me .. lol really ok you do you

 

[fishonjazz]

lol excellent i'm glad it's clear that you know your doctor has your best interests. I've also got a doctor i'm confident with. as for thinking everyone is out to get me .. lol really ok you do you

Eh, you used the hyperbolic statement that I just blindly trust what im told. So I went hyperbolic back your way. No biggie. Carry on.

 

[Gameface]

cool i'll mark you down in the intellectually dishonest category because in your own words your position had "nothing to do with the effectiveness of the vaccine" That's been pretty clear.

Nothing to do with SPECULATING on the effectiveness of vaccines. The decision to vaccinate was in early 2021. None of use could take a time machine to the future to make a decision, we had to act based on what info we had at the time. At the time getting the COVID vaccine was the correct thing to do. That hasn't changed. It is still better to have been vaccinated than to not be vaccinated.

Also, you ****ing ****, I said absolute effectiveness vs nothing. The vaccines have an effect. In trials it was 95% using selected patients and a single strain (I assume) but in the wild things were not so simple and results varied. I don't know at what low effectiveness rate I'd consider the vaccine to be worthless, but it is so far from that bar that I haven't thought about it.

You asked if I regretted advocating for the vaccine except that you loaded the question with "vaccine mandates." Yes, some employers required employees get vaccinated to continue with their jobs. Most allowed for a sincere religious belief to exempt a person from being vaccinated but may have altered the job duties as a result. There was never a government mandate in the U.S..

I currently work in hospitals, plural. My employer doesn't require vaccination but the majority of the hospitals I go into to work do require that vendors that work in their facilities are vaccinated and not just against COVID. I had to get a blood screen done that took 9 vials of blood to test for antibodies to prove that I had all my vaccinations. I did have them largely because I was in the U.S. Navy, which also provides for a religious or other type of exemption to vaccines, but they don't make that easy or obvious so before boot camp you go through a gauntlet of corpsman (medical techs) who all jab you with a different vaccine. At the end of the vaccine line they give you a LARGE injection of penicillin right in an *** cheek and then put the little bubble just under the skin on your arm to check for TB or whatever it is.

I was happy to get all the vaccines.

One time I walked into my Department command office on the ship and the last of the officers and chiefs were getting some sort of vaccine that was limited in supply and so was not available to lower ranked enlisted. They had a few extra doses and asked if I wanted it. I have no idea what it even was and I was like yeah, 100% for sure.

Vaccines are safer than ****ing boner pills, or pain pills, or depression medication. Vaccines are generally very effective.

One thing I know is that the COVID vaccine helped vs hurt enough that getting the vaccine is essentially a no brainer. Getting the vaccine is the smart thing to do. Period. End. Of. Story.

 

[One Brow]

not you in those exact terms but there were certainly several simpletons who i usually ignore who said that in very specific terms I'm not basing my view on that CDC report, my view is on continually reading published papers and data and continual statements from authorities who were very much pushing the whole "get vaccinated so you don't catch or transmit Covid" in those exact terms "pandemic of the unvaccinated" etc who are now quite clearly and casually stating that the vaccines don't work well at ALL for those purposes.

The CDC here said from day one (December 2020) that the covid19 vaccines would be like the flu vaccines: you have a lower chance of infection, and if you get infected you'll get less sick. Other sources were definitely stupider. "Pandemic of the unvaccinated" was true in that the unvaccinated were much more likely to get covid19.

Does someone like you not recognise that a lot of the data interpretation contained so much noise as to be unscientific to draw a lot of the definitive conclusions that have been used ? How do we know the pandemic might not have wavered up and down and got to this point anyway ??? I don't know about there but in Australia a lot of the public health advice has been farcical and much more political than scientifically based.

There were plenty of politics that came into play here.

The only mechanisms you can draw definitive proof from are double blind trials and these haven't been done. Yes we didn't have time but there were a lot of things that seemed apparent much earlier than what the authorities adjusted to.

The first vaccines were produced in March 2020. They began mass production in July-August. They didn't get released until December because there were double-blind clinical trials going on April-November.

 

[JazzGal]

Nope, I haven't changed my opinion about the vaccines at all. If I have to get them every year like I get a flu shot, I gladly will. I also choose to listen to my doctors, all of whom advised me to get vaccinated. As far as I know, I haven't had COVID even though I am in high risk categories. I had to wear masks at my job, and I sucked it up and did it because I'm capable of making adult decisions that do not affect only me (granted, I was already used to wearing masks outside at times because N95 masks protect my damaged lungs in cold winter air). I sanitized and distanced and whatever was required. But then I'm from the generation that was thrilled by vaccines because polio, measles, mumps, chicken pox, etc were not fun and were often life-threatening. My sister nearly died of measles. My mom pumped those vaccines into our arms as quickly as possible. I proudly have my smallpox scar. She was not concerned about whether they had been tested for years. All she knew was that her kids were terribly ill, one disease after another, and she would do anything to prevent that again.

As far as how I feel about those who refused to get vaccinated, my feelings are largely tied into their reasons. The more MAGA they are with reasons that align with those beliefs, the less respect I have for their decision making processes. While I no longer believe in the LDS Church, I was rather astonished that I had several family members who chose to believe the far-right media over their prophet, their professed mouth of God, who was a heart surgeon previously. Fair to say I disagree with many more of their beliefs than just vaccines.

 

[LogGrad98]

cool i'll mark you down in the intellectually dishonest category because in your own words your position had "nothing to do with the effectiveness of the vaccine" That's been pretty clear.

You left out the word "absolute" which drastically changes the context. Of course, it helps to "win" arguments when you can change the context to fit your narrative.

 

[LogGrad98]

dude seriously ... it doesn't bother you that a lot of this is "maybe" ?? Do you think a bunch of "maybe" things justify forcing people who are perfectly healthy to take a new unproven medication that they don't want to that can have ???

Seemed to work for polio. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Seriously though, as of Aug 18th, 6.4 million people world wide have died from Covid. That is orders of magnitude more than from the comparison illness, the flu, which as killed an estimated 60-70k over the same time period. We are so far removed from the days of dealing with debilitating or deadly illnesses in our everyday lives that we have completely lost sight of the impact of such diseases. If a vaccine can help lessen the deaths, that is a huge plus, unless you put your personal inconvenience over other people's live, which it seems a very vocal minority do.

There is no proof that the vaccine is absolutely effective. Note the word ABSOLUTELY. But there is evidence it helps reduce spread and symptoms if one does get COVID, and therefore saves lives. There is also no proof the vaccines are harmful, at all. Everything in that realm is anecdotal. But we know FOR A FACT that COVID has killed 6 million people. The vaccine? Maybe some but no one really knows because it happens so rarely.

How many people have died from the vaccine in the U.S.? - COVID-101

Over 339 million vaccine doses were given to 187.2 million people in the US as of July 19, 2021. Only three deaths have been linked to vaccination.

covid-101.org

How many people have died after getting a vaccine?

Between December 2020 and July 19th, 2021, VAERS received 6,207 reports of death (0.0018% of doses) among people who got a vaccine, but this does not mean the vaccine caused these deaths. Doctors and safety monitors carefully review the details of each case to see if it might be linked to the vaccine. There are three deaths that appear to be linked to blood clots that occurred after people got the J&J vaccine. Since we now know how to correctly treat people who develop these blood clots, future deaths related to this very rare side effect can be prevented.

I guess the answer is "3". 6.4 million to 3. Let's put that in real terms. 6,464,663 to 3. Hmmmm. One of these things is not like the other...

Meanwhile, in 2018, Viagra killed 19 people in the UK alone.

Viagra drug is linked to a record 19 UK deaths in a year

Sildenafil, the active drug in Viagra, caused more than a dozen deaths in 2017 and is currently linked to seven fatalities this year, according to a report by the MHRA.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The active drug in Viagra has been linked to 19 deaths in the UK last year, the highest on record since 1999.

Sildenafil, the active drug in Viagra, caused more than a dozen deaths in 2017 and is currently linked to seven fatalities this year, according to a report by the Medicines & Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA).

In fact pick ANY random medicine we take and it has likely killed more than 3 people over a 2 year time period.

But hey, that vaccine is unproven, we have only administered, what 12.5 billion doses, how in the hell is that even close to enough to draw any conclusions at all! It's ******** I tell you, ********. That guy on facebook said it would kill you in 11 years. Exactly. He also said there is no way to know if it is safe. So of course, there isn't!! Facebook nutjob has spoken, and the truth shall set you free!!!

But damn, those shots are so inconvenient!!! Who gives a **** if a bunch of geezers and gerries go **** up, as long as I get to choose if I get a shot or not. ****'em.

That is exactly the way most of these arguments come across. Other people's lives are not worth my inconvenience.

 

[LogGrad98]

Ya its really trendy to not trust anything these days. Dont trust doctors or media or the government or cops. I dont really follow trends all that much.

You cannot trust anyone who is trying to tell you anything, except the guy that is telling you not to trust anyone who is telling you anything. That guy, you can trust.

 

[LogGrad98]

Nope, I haven't changed my opinion about the vaccines at all. If I have to get them every year like I get a flu shot, I gladly will. I also choose to listen to my doctors, all of whom advised me to get vaccinated. As far as I know, I haven't had COVID even though I am in high risk categories. I had to wear masks at my job, and I sucked it up and did it because I'm capable of making adult decisions that do not affect only me (granted, I was already used to wearing masks outside at times because N95 masks protect my damaged lungs in cold winter air). I sanitized and distanced and whatever was required. But then I'm from the generation that was thrilled by vaccines because polio, measles, mumps, chicken pox, etc were not fun and were often life-threatening. My sister nearly died of measles. My mom pumped those vaccines into our arms as quickly as possible. I proudly have my smallpox scar. She was not concerned about whether they had been tested for years. All she knew was that her kids were terribly ill, one disease after another, and she would do anything to prevent that again.

As far as how I feel about those who refused to get vaccinated, my feelings are largely tied into their reasons. The more MAGA they are with reasons that align with those beliefs, the less respect I have for their decision making processes. While I no longer believe in the LDS Church, I was rather astonished that I had several family members who chose to believe the far-right media over their prophet, their professed mouth of God, who was a heart surgeon previously. Fair to say I disagree with many more of their beliefs than just vaccines.

The doctor I trust he most is a friend of mine (actually past mission companion, so I have known him for a long time) who is a PCP in PHX. He has gone the rounds on things like providing care over getting paid, and factory medical centers instead of personalized service. He is old-school that way. He was the first to check to see if I had been vaccinated, as he knows my medical history fairly well. We have discussed this as I have to deal with it at work, whether folks are vaccinated or not, and his opinion is that we should implement it like we do immunizations, just make it an annual regular shot needed to participate in social activities like any other immunization, to protect as many people as possible. If you don't want it, you can get the same exemptions anyone else can for religious or personal beliefs or whatever, but you MUST get the exemption, you can't just skip out on it. I could back that plan personally.

My dad finally got COVID. He has been vaccinated and boosted every time he could be, but he still contracted it. We separated him from my mom for a couple of weeks to protect her. He had the symptoms of a solid cold/flu but nothing more luckily. He is soon to be 86 with a heart condition, diabetes and maybe 3 or 4 other underlying conditions. All of his doctors said his vaccination status was likely instrumental in keeping him alive and making it as mild as it was. And the fact that we around them were all vaccinated and careful was why he went this long without getting it in the first place. My mom still has not had it, thank god. But that was scary. Good thing we have something to use against this thing, if only people will use it to it can be the most effective it can be.

 

[Bucknutz]

View: https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1560296769371738114?s=21&t=Z8mBbnsiZYbUmcIbYwftgA

WSJ News Exclusive | U.S. Plans to Shift Bill for Covid Shots and Treatments to Insurers, Patients

The end of government underwriting of such medicines could lead to a windfall for drugmakers.

www.wsj.com

It looks like the government is getting out of the shot business and passing it on to insurance companies and people.

 

[Avery]

View: https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1560296769371738114?s=21&t=Z8mBbnsiZYbUmcIbYwftgA

WSJ News Exclusive | U.S. Plans to Shift Bill for Covid Shots and Treatments to Insurers, Patients

The end of government underwriting of such medicines could lead to a windfall for drugmakers.

www.wsj.com

It looks like the government is getting out of the shot and passing it on to insurance companies and people.

Not just shots, but also tests and overall treatments - which I'm okay with. It's time to turn the page.

Was bound to happen - I would like to see some sort of combined Covid/normal flu shot strain that could be given as one dose as I think that would help overall health, but vaccine makers are gonna want that $.

 

[fishonjazz]

View: https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1560296769371738114?s=21&t=Z8mBbnsiZYbUmcIbYwftgA

WSJ News Exclusive | U.S. Plans to Shift Bill for Covid Shots and Treatments to Insurers, Patients

The end of government underwriting of such medicines could lead to a windfall for drugmakers.

www.wsj.com

It looks like the government is getting out of the shot and passing it on to insurance companies and people.

Seems like a good move. i was getting vaccinated by a doctor (people) at my doctors office and providing my insurance anyway rather than getting vaccinated by the government. So nothing changes for me at least.


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[The Thriller]

This seems dangerous


View: https://twitter.com/realcandaceo/status/1559946606941700097?s=21&t=Hhkk577AsldZo9i3hbP-5g

 

[The Thriller]

You cannot trust anyone who is trying to tell you anything, except the guy that is telling you not to trust anyone who is telling you anything. That guy, you can trust.

Makes sense. That’s why I donate weekly to Trump and Alex Jones. Those two poor people can’t catch a break. Wait, where did my life savings go???

 

[The Thriller]

Seems like a good move. i was getting vaccinated by a doctor (people) at my doctors office and providing my insurance anyway rather than getting vaccinated by the government. So nothing changes for me at least.


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I’ll never understand it when people act like getting vaccinated is a great hassle or sacrifice. The last Covid booster I got, I got it at Harmons. I was going to do some grocery shopping anyway. It took maybe 6 mins To wait in line, have the tech look up my info, and then for the pharmacist to give me the shot. Then I completed my grocery shopping. I was In and out of the store within 20 mins. The booster came with a mild ache in my arm and I haven’t (knock on wood) been sick with anything after. And the shot was free.

So I sacrificed 20 mins to go to the grocery store, a place I already was going to, and had a mild sore arm for maybe one day. Watching most of the crappy 4th quarter jazz meltdowns last year was more painful and that was just me sitting on my butt watching sports.

 

[One Brow]

This seems dangerous

Candace Owens is easily perplexed.

 

[Red]

Report shows Trump 'deliberately and repeatedly' undermined COVID-19 response

White House officials during the tenure of former President Donald Trump "deliberately and repeatedly" pressured the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to authorize unproven and potentially dangerous Covid-19 treatments, while working to derail the agency's vaccine guidance ahead of the 2020...

www.rawstory.com

The select subcommittee's findings that Trump White House officials deliberately and repeatedly sought to bend FDA's scientific work on coronavirus treatments and vaccines to the White House's political will are yet another example of how the prior administration prioritized politics over public health," Rep. James Clyburn (D-S.C.), who heads the panel, said in a statement.

"As today's report makes clear, senior Trump administration officials undermined public health experts because they believed doing so would benefit the former president politically—plotting covertly with known conspiracy theorists to dangerously push a disproven coronavirus treatment, bullying FDA to change its vaccine guidance, and advocating for federal investigations into those who stood in their way," he continued.

According to the new report, Trump officials:

• Orchestrated coordinated pressure campaigns to reauthorize and expand use of hydroxychloroquine;
• Pushed to authorize use of convalescent plasma—which used blood from people who have recovered from Covid-19—ahead of the 2020 Republican National Convention, while "grossly misrepresenting the data" on the therapy; and
• Attempted to derail the FDA's Covid-19 vaccine guidance ahead of the 2020 presidential election.

"These assaults on our nation's public health institutions undermined the nation's coronavirus response," said Clyburn, "and are precisely why we must never again settle for leaders who prioritize politics over keeping Americans safe."


View: https://twitter.com/COVIDOversight/status/1562464012410925057

 

[Keefe]

yeah i got my first 2 shots No ****ing way i'm getting any more, boosters are useless unless you're vulnerable.

And how do you know if you’re vulnerable?

 

[LogGrad98]

And how do you know if you’re vulnerable?

If you get it, then you were vulnerable.