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So, explain to me how literally releasing infected immigrants into our community and bussing and flying infected all across the country is not an impeachable offense? How can you possibly talk about "respect for the people who develop vaccines" yet stay silent when your president is literally, factually, releasing infected into communities?

There are people coming from all across the entire globe that he's letting in with open doors...how many variants has his policy let in? How is this protecting any single one of us?
I wish those people weren't crossing the border.
I want Biden to stop them.
Stupid Biden is an idiot though.
 
Again, you can go ahead and criticize our best and brightest minds for creating the vaccines.
I applaud their efforts to save lives and try to keep us healthier. I'm proud of those who created and continue to create the vaccines.
Amen
 
Truly one of our nation’s leading intellectuals. I hope she’s elected president someday. In a mass democracy like ours, the cream rises to the top…
Yup. In the democracy so many people claim they want, what rises to the top are those able to best work a room. In that clip, MTG was working the room. If you've seen Trump rallies you know that guy knows how to work a room. If you've seen old videos of Hitler then you've seen how good he was at working a room. In our constitutional republic we have (had?) some built in safeguards to prevent the Hitlers. I will keep warning of the dangers of democracy even though I know I get demonized for it and will ultimately lose as a Hitler/Mao/Mussolini/Stalin rides a populist wave into office, but I hope to hold it off as long as possible. Keep the Electoral College in place.
 
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Our "health professionals" are one of the leading causes of death in America. These health professionals charge a person hundreds of dollars for 15 minutes of work. These health professionals charge astronomical rates for a life saving pill or shot that cost pennies. How many people have Johnson and Johnson, pzifer, moderns killed with astronomical prices for very basic drugs like insulin?


I hate to say it but I actually agree with Qhiller on something but I'm not sure socialized medicine is the answer.

It's not a joke... It's quite head scratching that people don't question our "medical professionals" more and question why our system is so ****ed up.
You're conflating a number of issues here. The amount of money physicians accrue is 15% of healthcare expenditures. The 15 minutes of work you're seeing is just the work you're seeing. Only about 1/3 of the time that a physician spends on a patient is actually with the patient. Often much less. In any case, it's not necessarily the time you're paying for but the experience. A good surgeon can do a cholecystectomy in under 10 minutes. Is it the time you want to be paying for?


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And the reasons healthcare costs have ballooned so much may have more to do with this chart. This is through 2009 but it's only gotten worse:

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Now people may agree with the problem highlighted in the chart above, but understand that the growth of administrators is in large part a result of more and more regulation that's well-intended but in total countertherapeutic. Every time the public gets mad about something and vow to put in place policies to make sure "______ never happens again," the above chart continues to distort.

Second, you mentioned 'healthcare professionals charging astronomical rates for a lifesaving pill or shot.' The "healthcare providers" don't sell these or set the fees on them. They may prescribe them, but that transaction is independent of the "healthcare provider." Maybe you have some legitimate concerns here, but you've amalgamated everyone/thing together here.

Third, you mention "health professionals" as being a large cause of death in the United States. This is true. But it's also a bit distorted. LeBron James has more turnovers in NBA finals history than any other player. Why? Is it because he's really bad with turnovers? Or is it because he's really good, gets his team to the finals, and handles the ball a lot? This is why a lot of policies are bad when they're trying to link reimbursement to outcomes. It means people will not want to take on riskier cases and patients. A cardiologist who specializes in advanced heart failure is going to have significantly worse outcomes than an old cardiologist in an outpatient clinic prescribing statins. I think most people realize this. I think the unfortunate part of this is that it creates a blind spot, where we end up viewing this as black and white and fail to recognize or understand situations in which that become really problematic where we're imposing a lot of iatrogenic (healthcare caused) issues but we easily dismiss this because "experts" and the kinds of justifications above that I can provide.

An overwhelming dose of agnosticism is called for, and there's a significant shortage of this on any of the many sides of these issues. The bottom line is that we know far, far less than we think we do, and we don't know enough about our own ignorance to even know it's there.
 
Many of the people JR is talking about are right here in this thread.
It's undeniable now, vaccinated people are spreading the virus as well as un-vaccinated people. Those of you that were quick to pump yourself or your loved ones full of the vax, were told a lie.

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How the **** does this help anything? Like is there another country in the world that is intentionally trying to spread this virus and ****ing prolong this pandemic more than red states in America?

I mean good god. What the **** are we even doing here?



We’re a country full of idiots. I’ve long thought/wondered is it smart to allow all people to vote? That goes for the left and right. There are tens of millions of completely ignorant ****s in this country. Should they have a vote? Idk. I started reading a bunch of Aristotle and his beliefs on governments and democracy and such. I think it opens up some interesting philosophical discussions.
 
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Many of the people JR is talking about are right here in this thread.
It's undeniable now, vaccinated people are spreading the virus as well as un-vaccinated people. Those of you that were quick to pump yourself or your loved ones full of the vax, were told a lie.

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Nah, I wasn't told a lie. The virus mutated into a variant called delta (which is one of the reasons everyone should have gotten vaccinated. Maybe if they had then delta wouldn't be kicking our countries *** right now). I have been told for a long time now that vaccinated people can get and spread delta. This isn't some news you are breaking. It's been known for a long time. It's also known that the vaccine keeps you out of the hospital and out of the morgue when you do catch covid. Still really glad I'm vaccinated. Gonna a get a booster shot when it's available. I hate hospitals and morgues.

If there is ever a variant that the vaccine is worthless against then that would suck but at least I would know that I tried something (got vaccinated) to combat this virus and help our society rather than doing nothing at all. Plus I got 100 bucks from my employer for getting vaccinated. So no matter what I did the right thing at the time and still came out ahead. Getting vaccinated cost me nothing and I'm currently healthier than I have ever been.
 
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It's looks like the vaccine has saved 100 million lives according to Trump.

"I think if we didn’t come up during the Trump administration with a vaccine you could have 100 million people dead just like you had in 1917. You take the Spanish Flu, 100 million people — up to 100 million people died. I think we’d be in that territory," the former president said in an interview with Fox News host Dan Bongino that aired Saturday night.
 
We’re a country full of idiots. I’ve long thought/wondered is it smart to allow all people to vote? That goes for the left and right. There are tens of millions of completely ignorant ****s in this country. Should they have a vote? Idk. I started reading a bunch of Aristotle and his beliefs on governments and democracy and such. I think it opens up some interesting philosophical discussions.

@Wes Mantooth You’re not wrong here.

The founding fathers limiting voting to not just males but to white land owning males. True, sexism and racism played a major part in this decision. But another part came from the genuine fear that the uneducated masses were incapable of being well enough informed to be able to vote and elect representative government. I think their fears were actually well founded.

In the book, “How Did We Get There” it describes President Harding using new technology, like the radio, to give “ra ra ra” speeches that really didn’t point to any specific agenda but stirred up emotions and sounded nice (sound familiar?). I can’t remember the exact quote so I’m going to paraphrase here, but a reporter speculated that if we continued along this path of letting leaders exploit new technology to communicate nothingness, that the country would soon begin electing any uneducated dumbass off the street. When I read this, I honestly thought back to Bush II and Trump. How often did we hear in the early 2000s something like “he’s a guy I could have a beer with?” Now we hear the same thing about Trump, “he speaks how we speak!” Even Biden’s charm to a certain extent is his way of speaking.

Yet, in reality, shouldn’t our leaders be too damn smart for us to have a beer with? Shouldn’t they be busy reading reports and visiting world leaders? I don’t think a president should be as vulgar as Bubba Dumbass eating at a Truck driver diner in East Jesus, Missouri (oh no I’m probably going to be labeled an elitist for saying such).

I remember President Obama received a lot of criticism for being “too stuffy” and “acting like a college professor.” Which is funny, that’s what I usually want. But even he I think “cheapened” the presidency in some ways by appearing on late night tv shows and singing with comedians like Jimmy Fallon. “OMG obama is soooo cool!” But presidents have been “cheapening” the presidency with tv since kennedy appeared in a debate against Nixon and “omg Kennedy was so hot ahhhhhhh omg!” Fortunately, Kennedy also had a good temperament to be president. But he won in no small part due to his looks and how he used tv.

The president should be damn smart and we shouldn’t base our decisions to how good he looks likeor sounds. If that were the case, our top 3 presidents would’ve never been elected, Washington had rotten teeth, Lincoln was ugly as sin, and FDR didn’t have use of his lower half. I think there probably is a strong case that the more people vote the dumber a leader we’ll elect. Mostly because we have a complex and don’t want our leaders to be too much smarter than us. We what our leaders to be relatable and people “we can have a beer with.”

The problem lies with qualifications for the electorate. If you want to set high standards for the electorate, what are they going to be? Who writes them? How can you ensure that the standards aren’t based on racism and sexism? This is where things get really uncomfortable.
 
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