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fear mongers love exponential logic. Damn liars.

CoViD-19 has some interesting unusual features. Spreads rapidly among people without most of them having symptoms that can be recognized easily. Hard to count what you don't see. A claim on mortality among the affected population requires complete counting of those who have contracted the virus, which we really don't have without diagnostic testing for the virus.

Early rates, like 2%, 2.5%, or even say 6% in elderly or compromised subsets, appear to be false estimates. The little South Korean church population, where authorities tested the whole congregation for the virus, produced a 0.7% figure in a skewed elderly population with inadequate treatment.

The fear is that everyone will contract the virus within a couple of months, and that medical facilities will be overwhelmed with patients needing assistance in breathing, like in Italy.... Italy has an "older" population that many other countries, with social patterns and population concentrations that favor quickly spreading the virus. It has a medical system that is "socialist", single-payer government system, now making life and death decisions, telling older folks "sorry we can't help you". Because the resources need to be effectively applied to patients with better hopes of favorable outcomes....

It appears that CoViD-19 is not affecting younger populations as severely, possibly due to vaccination statistics in the past decade or two, where many younger people received vaccinations for closely related corona virus epidemics.

Mortality stats are very dependent on the medical treatment facilities and access. The 2% rates reported in some areas reflect almost no treatment applied.

Efforts to "flatten the curve", as government-based programs generally go, will include public heath measures like quarantine measures. People can flatten the curve more efficiently with personal choices and behavior considerations..... less social contact, more "social distance". This is very significant, and can mean that we will not overwhelm our actual medical treatment capacities, and could mean a very significant reduction in the mortality stat.

More testing, universal testing, and self-quarantine measures for carriers, would help a lot.

Personal hygiene will make a huge difference in individual outcomes. Knowing the facts about the virus, and critical use of disinfectants where or when needed can be a huge factor as well.

CoViD-19 is spread via air and fluids from the respiratory system, hand actions or breathing, sneezing, and coughing. It is easily destroyed by disinfectants, such as soap, or oxidizing gases like ozone or chlorine. A swimming pool properly chlorinated, or the chlorine vapors close to the pool, are effective levels. Any public space treated with such an atmosphere would be "safe" except for direct physical contact, or contact within a few feet.

I am impressed with the public awareness we have achieved, and the measures taken generally. I don't think our "mortality rate" will exceed 0.1% for folks under thirty, 0.5% for anyone under sixty who has no underlying factors. And 1.5% for older or significantly compromised folks who get oxygen assistance. Still a significant event, with 5k to 20k national US deaths, equal to the H1N1 of 2009 at least.
 
Zombie said:
Yeah, but turning airports into petri dishes kind of defeats the purpose.
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Lol was going to say the same thing.

this... isn’t screening. This doesn’t help:



But of course, @Catchall is a Trumper and so he must defend asinine things like this airport situation caused by his poorly thought out policy at all costs.
 
The Thriller said:
Lol was going to say the same thing.

this... isn’t screening. This doesn’t help:



But of course, @Catchall is a Trumper and so he must defend asinine things like this airport situation caused by his poorly thought out policy at all costs.
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Screening travelers from Europe is a good policy, but it's one that requires planning and coordination that appears not to have taken place. It's exactly the type of failure we've seen from the federal government in managing this crisis over and over again, reacting to things instead of planning for them.
 
Zombie said:
Screening travelers from Europe is a good policy, but it's one that requires planning and coordination that appears not to have taken place. It's exactly the type of failure we've seen from the federal government in managing this crisis over and over again, reacting to things instead of planning for them.
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But we’re not screening. We’re just understaffing our airport security who’s merely checking passports after announcing travel bans a few days ago.
 
The Thriller said:
But we’re not screening. We’re just understaffing our airport security who’s merely checking passports after announcing travel bans a few days ago.
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Right, I should have made that more clear. I believe the stated policy is for additional health screening, but that doesn't really appear to be happening.
 
Zombie said:
Screening travelers from Europe is a good policy, but it's one that requires planning and coordination that appears not to have taken place. It's exactly the type of failure we've seen from the federal government in managing this crisis over and over again, reacting to things instead of planning for them.
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I guess Trump and the CDC basically gave them 48 hours to get their asses back to the U.S. before something worse happens.
 
One Brow said:
No, nor is the CPR specifically dedicated to coordinating responses to pandemics.
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Help me out. I'm trying to learn here after you posted a two year old tidbit about reorganization. From CDC:

CDC is a unique agency with a unique mission: We work 24/7 to protect the safety, health, and security of America from threats here and around the world.

CDC is the Nation’s leading science-based, data-driven, service organization that protects the public’s health. For more than 70 years, we’ve put science into action to help children stay healthy so they can grow and learn, to help families, businesses and communities fight disease and stay strong, and to protect the public’s health.

Our Strategic Framework and Priorities are a bold promise to the Nation (and the world). We will use our scientific expertise to bring a new level of preparedness in the US and global health security against current and growing threats, finally eliminate certain diseases, and bring an end to the devastation of epidemics. CDC has a broad mandate and specific directives from Congress for our work, and these priorities do not include all of CDC’s complex, important work. Learn more below.
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Similar to the other link: https://www.cdc.gov/about/leadership/leaders/cgh.html

It looks to me like there is a structure in place to deal specifically with these scenarios. I could be wrong.
 
Catchall said:
I guess Trump and the CDC basically gave them 48 hours to get their asses back to the U.S. before something worse happens.
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I thought this virus was a hoax cooked up by Dems just to hurt trump? It’s hard to keep up with you Trumpers. One day it’s a hoax. The next day draconian policy without coordination with our allies is needed. Which is it?

the mental gymnastics the idiotic Trumpers on this board go through everyday to keep their boy’s record perfect is impressive.
 
Gameface said:
I love that babe is an expert in every ****ing thing on earth.

Or is he?
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He certainly thinks he is.

It's really interesting to read his posts when I have some patience. It shows how skewed people get their information. He often quotes news when it supports his beliefs and then says you can't trust it is it doesn't support his beliefs. I don't disagree with some is his number ideas. But trusting a small church for data is just silly. I do think the death rates are correct right now for the reported cases but I think 90% of the cases are not being reported. People who have little symptoms.

More often than not I can't read past babes first sentence for fear that I might hurt my eyes by rolling them too hard.

Any time he has something almost decent you read through the rest of his post and he always has far out there sentence easily proved wrong.
 
My wife and I have been sick for like 10 days. I thought we were pretty much better but tonight is the worst night yet. Can't stop coughing. Took cough medicine and have a cough drop in my mouth right now and just can't stop coughing. Can't sleep.

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Ron Mexico said:
He certainly thinks he is.

It's really interesting to read his posts when I have some patience. It shows how skewed people get their information. He often quotes news when it supports his beliefs and then says you can't trust it is it doesn't support his beliefs. I don't disagree with some is his number ideas. But trusting a small church for data is just silly. I do think the death rates are correct right now for the reported cases but I think 90% of the cases are not being reported. People who have little symptoms.

More often than not I can't read past babes first sentence for fear that I might hurt my eyes by rolling them too hard.

Any time he has something almost decent you read through the rest of his post and he always has far out there sentence easily proved wrong.
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I hadn't heard of the church and found it an interesting anecdotal, since that's about all we have to go by rn. You've said the 4% death rate is way too high. It provides insight on what it might be closer to.
 
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