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Ron Mexico

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Question on this, is it so much worse that it completely offsets the benefits of availability and affordability? Are you straight up scared to go to the doctor so it is avoided at all costs, or is it more of a nuisance thing?

No, it's not so much worse that it's scary or bad. But if you're a reasonable financially secure person in the USA with insurance you would clearly prefer treatment there. The system in China is very different. Their doctors see a crazy high number of patients a day only in their specialty. If you have a standard problem they will know what to do right away and the treatment is solid from there. But if it isn't standard you won't get the time from a doctor to figure it out. They also won't really discuss options with you and a lot of other small things. But they are really good at what they do because they specialize and treat so many people they are experienced. Which if you have less money it is very much worth it. Things like post treatment steps and preventative measures are almost non existent. If you have a heat attack for example they will treat you quickly and efficiently. After surgery you will be told to be healthier and maybe a pamphlet on what to do. They will follow up and at intervals and give you a check. That's it. You won't get help with other things you should be doing. If you have an abnormal heart issue they aren't very patient in figuring that out. If they are unsure and think surgery is a risk you're just told to keep checks regularly and be healthier.

The systems have a plus and minus. But I can obviously see why they would start to have longer lifespans due to it. The ones with lower lifespans are usually the lower even mid class which have better healthcare options in China. Also it factors in that generally speaking Chinese eat a little more healthy and get more exercise especially at the lower class.
 

Ron Mexico

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In addition to what LG just said, China has a lot higher population and up until the mid/late 1970s, wasn't really a participant in the global economy.

So what's our excuse for such a crappy HC system?
Corporate greed and insurance companies to start with.

China was pretty much the poorest country in the world into the 80s when 90% of their country in extreme poverty. Now that number is less than 1%. A big chunk of that was moving away from communism but still. USA is trending the opposite way since then. GDP keeps growing in the USA but quality of life is declining for the middle and lower classes.
 

LogGrad98

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No, it's not so much worse that it's scary or bad. But if you're a reasonable financially secure person in the USA with insurance you would clearly prefer treatment there. The system in China is very different. Their doctors see a crazy high number of patients a day only in their specialty. If you have a standard problem they will know what to do right away and the treatment is solid from there. But if it isn't standard you won't get the time from a doctor to figure it out. They also won't really discuss options with you and a lot of other small things. But they are really good at what they do because they specialize and treat so many people they are experienced. Which if you have less money it is very much worth it. Things like post treatment steps and preventative measures are almost non existent. If you have a heat attack for example they will treat you quickly and efficiently. After surgery you will be told to be healthier and maybe a pamphlet on what to do. They will follow up and at intervals and give you a check. That's it. You won't get help with other things you should be doing. If you have an abnormal heart issue they aren't very patient in figuring that out. If they are unsure and think surgery is a risk you're just told to keep checks regularly and be healthier.

The systems have a plus and minus. But I can obviously see why they would start to have longer lifespans due to it. The ones with lower lifespans are usually the lower even mid class which have better healthcare options in China. Also it factors in that generally speaking Chinese eat a little more healthy and get more exercise especially at the lower class.
And a nice tea with some powdered animal penises and horns (yes, the upper and lower horns) never hurts.
 

LogGrad98

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Corporate greed and insurance companies to start with.

China was pretty much the poorest country in the world into the 80s when 90% of their country in extreme poverty. Now that number is less than 1%. A big chunk of that was moving away from communism but still. USA is trending the opposite way since then. GDP keeps growing in the USA but quality of life is declining for the middle and lower classes.
I am not sure we are seeing a true decrease in quality of life, although it is definitely on an "increasing at a decreasing rate" kind of curve. Increasing, concave down.

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Ron Mexico

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And a nice tea with some powdered animal penises and horns (yes, the upper and lower horns) never hurts.
Oddly the traditional Chinese medicine hospitals give you so much better attention, ask more questions, seem to care more, and offer you a choice of western or Chinese medicine. I usually just take both, because why not. The tea tastes pretty bitter and usually not great. Plus it makes me sweat. Some of it seems to work, who knows. Oh, they also always tell you to stop drinking alcohol, stop eating spicy food, and drink hot water until you're better.
 

Douchebag K

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Are the CDC more corrupt or stupid ?? Or both. Voting to add Covid vaccine injections to the childhood immunization scheme while so many other countries around the world are recommending against using these en mass for children. I guess there's too much money in it for big Pharma in the states eh.
 

Douchebag K

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I know you don't think of yourself as an anti-vaxxer, but you really should stop and think before repeating their talking points.

You can shove that phrase up your clacker pal, you should really start thinking critically about this particular "vaccine" It beggars belief that this thing is being put on the standard immunisation schedule given the issues with efficacy, safety, lack of proper extensive testing and the actual risk to young healthy children now posed by Covid. Countries all throughout Europe and elsewhere are clearly recommending against this for children. Those countries aren't crippled by authorities who have a conflict of interest with respect to links to the pharmaceutical industry. That you of all people are happy to gloss over this is staggering.
 

The Thriller

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I know you don't think of yourself as an anti-vaxxer, but you really should stop and think before repeating their talking points.
I don’t get it. Why shouldn’t children be vaccinated against Covid? We’ve had childhood vaccination for years and Covid is far more infectious than many of the viruses we currently vaccinate children for. Shouldn’t we want children to get sick less and miss less time at school?
 
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