Coronavirus

[SteakNEggs]

Don't forget that actual scientific analysis of the virus itself confirmed it was natural, and not man-made. It still may have leaked from a lab, but it wasn't a supernatural frankenstein engineered bio-weapon thing.

Then explain to us why you bullied people for saying that it was a lab leak. You're lying. You all are acting like you didn't spread hate, vitriol, anger and bigotry(YOU DID) over even suggesting it was a lab leak. Now you all have moved the goalposts and act like you didn't.

 

[Bucknutz]

I'm all for speculation and skepticism. What I really detest is absolute confidence in knowledge that it is impossible to have.

Completely agree!

 

[The Thriller]

Can someone explain why we are so hung up on where the virus came from? Who stands to benefit if it came from a lab instead of from a meat market? What difference does it make in deaths or treatment if it came from a lab instead of the wild? Is the only implication in the conspiracy theory that it was released fully on purpose by Fauci because he had an evil plan to become the world's scapegoat and Trump's whipping boy for 2 years, because that made him, uh, more rich or something? Weird plan tbh.

We know that virology is happening all over the place, in most every developed nation, all the time. They are fiddling with viruses that could kill swaths of humans, in the efforts to better understand them to more quickly bring remedies to bear when needed. They are also studying super-bacteria to find out how we can keep killing them as they are becoming more and more antibiotic-resistant. Frankly a strong antibiotic-resistant bacteria scares me more than a virus as our bodies tend to handle viruses better overall. I have had the flu for 2 weeks, and COVID for a week, but then I had a raging sinus infection for 4 straight months that almost resulted in them drilling into my sinus to relieve the pressure and allow it to drain in the hopes of stopping the bacteria causing it, because antibiotics were doing nothing. So the threat of something escaping a lab is real and is a risk we take in the efforts to better understand and treat these things when and if they do rise up. But it is also incredibly, incredibly, nearly impossibly rare. In fact can anyone point out a single time a virus got out of a lab and caused any of an epidemic, let alone a pandemic? You know, one that has been PROVEN to have originated in a lab. Not just speculation.

But frankly, the vast majority of deadly diseases are fully natural in origin. The spanish flu was the flu. From DNA research into COVID they did not see the marking of an engineered virus. Even if it did escape from a lab it was likely a normal strain of that particular virus that was carried out somewhere. No one released it on purpose. Get real. Whenever these things are brought up, I always ask "but why?" and mostly the answers are some vague **** about people controlling our lives and don't you know the gubmint lies to you about every ****ing thing?!?!?!11! No one can articulate the supposed benefit to anyone at all for something like this, well for most all conspiracies period.

So again, why does it matter?

Good post.

I think it’s politically advantageous in the short term for some to fan the flames of xenophobia. They want to make a lab leak become synonymous with “Chinese release bio weapon designed to destroy Trump presidency.” If China launched this weapon, that must mean we need to abandon globalism, close the border, and attack China (with words, not physically cuz that might plunge us into a recession or trigger a war). Ultimately, nothing beyond 5 seconds is thought through. This clearly isn’t a long-term solution for anything. but sounding tough on China and demanding that Fauci be burned on a cross live on Fox News sure does rally the base and encourages donations!

 

[Bucknutz]

Here is an example of what happens online, in forums like this, switches to in-person. Kyle Duncan (judge) was invited to Stanford by their local chapter of the Federalist Society. The students there had different opinions than the Judge and started shouting down, interrupted, laughed and heckled him. You can see in this clip how frustrated he is getting because he can’t finish his views, thoughts or opinions.


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He asks for an Administrator and the Dean, who was already there, stepped up and told Duncan he was harming the people there. How does this help with debate or discussion? How does this help with unity? All because someone has a different belief.
What happened to being respectful?

 

[The Thriller]

I don’t excuse student bad behavior but Didn’t the speaker repeatedly call the students “idiots?” That usually doesn’t encourage an audience to be in their best behavior. Sounds like this RW judge got to berate students and then play the victim card, which is what he wanted all along. Seems to be the main calling card on the right these days.

I’ll tell you right now, as someone who has worked with many guest speakers, insulting students never works out well. When dealing with a hostile crowd, the solution shouldn’t be to act as your worst most belligerent self.

View: https://twitter.com/mjs_dc/status/1634385861117632513?s=46&t=QT7YFlZ_IlHq81PpZAhKgw

Trump-appointed judge wants Stanford to apologize for disrupted speech

A federal appeals court judge appointed by former Republican President Donald Trump on Friday said Stanford Law School in California owed him an apology after dozens of student protesters including LGBTQ rights supporters disrupted an event he spoke at on Thursday.

www.reuters.com

 

[One Brow]

He asks for an Administrator and the Dean, who was already there, stepped up and told Duncan he was harming the people there. How does this help with debate or discussion?

The expression of some views adds to the harm people experience (for example, some people respond to be called a troll very personally).

How does this help with unity?

Unity should come with respect for people, not degradation of people.

All because someone has a different belief.
What happened to being respectful?

What happened to being worthy of respect?

 

[Bucknutz]

I don’t excuse student bad behavior but Didn’t the speaker repeatedly call the students “idiots?” That usually doesn’t encourage an audience to be in their best behavior.

Would the Judge just call people idiots because they were respectful? Or is it they were berating him constantly to his breaking point? Why were kids hold up signs say “Duncan can’t find the ****”. You really did just excuse the student’s behavior and went and criticized the “RW” Judge. Glossed right over the real issue.
This is exactly what happens here as well. Look at Steak n Eggs. He brings up points that some do have merit and people name call, make fun of him. He lashes out similarly like this Judge does.

Sounds like this RW judge got to berate students and then play the victim card, which is what he wanted all along. Seems to be the main calling card on the right these days.

I’ll tell you right now, as someone who has worked with many guest speakers, insulting students never works out well. When dealing with a hostile crowd, the solution shouldn’t be to act as your worst most belligerent self.

Agreed. But if he left because the crowd was completely disrespectful and straight out rude to him because they didn’t like his opinion, this crowd got what they wanted. They silenced him.
This is the issue. This part of American culture is ruining honest conversation and debate. Just act like assholes to whoever you don’t agree with.

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Trump-appointed judge wants Stanford to apologize for disrupted speech

A federal appeals court judge appointed by former Republican President Donald Trump on Friday said Stanford Law School in California owed him an apology after dozens of student protesters including LGBTQ rights supporters disrupted an event he spoke at on Thursday.

www.reuters.com

The authors response to this tweet:

View: https://twitter.com/davidlat/status/1634427373079744514?s=46&t=BMMZjW7vq0_zwnmLDjNTgQ

 

[The Thriller]

If his intent was to help students understand different perspectives then his lack of grace certainly was a poor strategy. Isn’t it common sense that insulting and antagonizing an audience doesn’t exactly encourage listening and understanding? If his intent was to antagonize people while making himself out to be a victim, then I guess he succeeded.

I don’t see why one can’t expect better behavior from an audience while admitting that a JUDGE shouldn’t antagonize his audience. Instead, He acted like your typical Fedsoc entitled judge, unaccountable for his behavior (i. e. Brett Kavanaugh). Remember now, He was a guest at their school. If you can’t show grace and speak to pacify an audience that might not be enthusiastic to your speaking, then you probably shouldn’t come. guest speakers have a responsibility too.

I’ll tell you that any guest speaker who calls an audience at my school, “idiots” would probably provoke a similar response as what we saw at Stanford. Please read his comments. He wasn’t trying to express different pts of view, he was berating his audience. What did anyone expect would happen? Put your tribalism aside for a minute and use some common sense. Read what he did:

View: https://twitter.com/mjs_dc/status/1634385861117632513?s=46&t=QT7YFlZ_IlHq81PpZAhKgw


You don’t honk that’s going to antagonize an audience? Again, take your partisan blinders off for a minute.

Meanwhile, Dear Leader Ron bans books and subjects in Florida. Michael Knowles speaks about eradicating transgenderism. Have you spoken out against his attacks on free speech yet?
“Free speech for me but not for thee!”

 

[Bucknutz]

Meanwhile, Dear Leader Ron bans books and subjects in Florida… Have you spoken out against his attacks on free speech yet?
“Free speech for me but not for thee!”

I don’t need to, both sides agree:

View: https://twitter.com/nikkifried/status/1634356099016007680?s=46&t=BMMZjW7vq0_zwnmLDjNTgQ

 

[fishonjazz]

If his intent was to help students understand different perspectives then his lack of grace certainly was a poor strategy. Isn’t it common sense that insulting and antagonizing an audience doesn’t exactly encourage listening and understanding? If his intent was to antagonize people while making himself out to be a victim, then I guess he succeeded.

I don’t see why one can’t expect better behavior from an audience while admitting that a JUDGE shouldn’t antagonize his audience. Instead, He acted like your typical Fedsoc entitled judge, unaccountable for his behavior (i. e. Brett Kavanaugh). Remember now, He was a guest at their school. If you can’t show grace and speak to pacify an audience that might not be enthusiastic to your speaking, then you probably shouldn’t come. guest speakers have a responsibility too.

I’ll tell you that any guest speaker who calls an audience at my school, “idiots” would probably provoke a similar response as what we saw at Stanford. Please read his comments. He wasn’t trying to express different pts of view, he was berating his audience. What did anyone expect would happen? Put your tribalism aside for a minute and use some common sense. Read what he did:

View: https://twitter.com/mjs_dc/status/1634385861117632513?s=46&t=QT7YFlZ_IlHq81PpZAhKgw


You don’t honk that’s going to antagonize an audience? Again, take your partisan blinders off for a minute.

Meanwhile, Dear Leader Ron bans books and subjects in Florida. Michael Knowles speaks about eradicating transgenderism. Have you spoken out against his attacks on free speech yet?
“Free speech for me but not for thee!”

I liked this comment: Life-tenured, well-paid guy whose job consists literally of publishing his *opinions* that have the force of law: I am being silenced by 2Ls

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Remember now, He was a guest at their school. If you can’t show grace and speak to pacify an audience that might not be enthusiastic to your speaking, then you probably shouldn’t come. guest speakers have a responsibility too.

That is exactly why the judge is unhappy with the school. He was an invited speaker. He agreed to come to the campus for a speaking engagement. That was the agreement the judge had with the school. That wasn't the event that happened. The scene in that clip was a debate without a moderator. The school pulled a bait-and-switch. The school did not live up to their end of the agreement to bring the judge in to a speaking event.

As for the judge losing his composure and the children who felt entitled to usurp the space to voice their opinions, both are bad behavior. That all of these people are lawyers or on the way to becoming lawyers, who should be well versed in debate and protocol, the evident quality of future litigators is one more thing that Idiocracy seems to have been predicting correctly.

 

[Bucknutz]

That is exactly why the judge is unhappy with the school. He was an invited speaker. He agreed to come to the campus for a speaking engagement. That was the agreement the judge had with the school. That wasn't the event that happened. The scene in that clip was a debate without a moderator. The school pulled a bait-and-switch. The school did not live up to their end of the agreement to bring the judge in to a speaking event.

As for the judge losing his composure and the children who felt entitled to usurp the space to voice their opinions, both are bad behavior. That all of these people are lawyers or on the way to becoming lawyers, who should be well versed in debate and protocol, the evident quality of future litigators is one more thing that Idiocracy seems to have been predicting correctly.

This reminds me of Milton Friedman and when he was invited to Stanford. You can see from the clip below that the students were respectful and let the man make his points. This is what a healthy discussion looks like. No one is calling him right wing, tribal, or any other names. They go at him with questions in the Q&A and the let him talk and they listen. This is not what just happened at Stanford. I agree with you and thriller that the Judges reciprocal behavior was not appropriate.


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