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Sardines said:
The vaccine had a greater than 0% rate at preventing infection. Hard to prove a negative so I doubt anyone really knows the real world prevention rate, but it was something.
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Some studies show a negative efficacy, so if you had the jab you statistically had more chance of getting Covid and particularly the more boosters you had the more times you got it. Because of more risky behavioural patterns ? Maybe As you said there's no way of knowing because it wasn't tested thoroughly enough. Without dealing in absolutes or at least high likelihoods i can't see it being a reasonable expectation to ask. I see it as much more like the flu vaccine, it'll most likely help those more vulnerable and should be distributed accordingly. People who contract the flu also behave inappropriately and can recklessly spread it around to the more vulnerable if they are careless and people die from that as well.

One of the good things i've found from the Covid experience is that it's now far more acceptable to demand accountability from people who are sick to not run around coughing all over others
 
fishonjazz said:
The pandemic of the unvaccinated was a term to describe the fact that hospitals were full of people who didn't get the vaccine. Not to describe the fact that people who didn't get the vaccine were the only ones getting covid.
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Not here and in many other countries it wasn't It was very specifically about the catching and spread of Covid
 
Douchebag K said:
Some studies show a negative efficacy, so if you had the jab you statistically had more chance of getting Covid and particularly the more boosters you had the more times you got it. Because of more risky behavioural patterns ? Maybe As you said there's no way of knowing because it wasn't tested thoroughly enough. Without dealing in absolutes or at least high likelihoods i can't see it being a reasonable expectation to ask. I see it as much more like the flu vaccine, it'll most likely help those more vulnerable and should be distributed accordingly. People who contract the flu also behave inappropriately and can recklessly spread it around to the more vulnerable if they are careless and people die from that as well.

One of the good things i've found from the Covid experience is that it's now far more acceptable to demand accountability from people who are sick to not run around coughing all over others
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It is disappointing to me that many places that had put up plexiglass barriers at checkouts and the like have taken them down. No reason to undo something that is beneficial for way more than just COVID.
 
Sardines said:
It is disappointing to me that many places that had put up plexiglass barriers at checkouts and the like have taken them down. No reason to undo something that is beneficial for way more than just COVID.
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Agree There's still plexiglass up in a lot of places here. Why bother removing them. Less spread of colds etc during winter. The last five years i've never had less coughs, colds et
 
This thread is only proving to me that there’s no such thing as a covid vax denier. You’re either all in or all out. Just like with Trump supporters. They may have at first not liked Jan 6. But in order to remain part of the tribe, they had to indulge in the conspiracies and eventually succumb to calling Biden an illegitimate president and claiming that Jan 6ers were actually heroes. Same applies to the anti vax crowd. They may have originally had questions about the Covid vaccines. But eventually they all succumb to the nonsense to tribal loyalty, and become full anti vax nutjobs.

Bring back polio! Measles! Vaccines cause autism!
 
fishonjazz said:
I also saw something recently saying that there are more flu cases this winter than in a long long time.
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I’m sure it has nothing to do with some of the biggest influencers online becoming vax deniers, the political party in power going full anti vax, and the president’s pick to head health and medicine being a vax denier (and steroid junkie). I blame librarians and DEI.

Like where are we even headed? The whole point of everyone getting vaccinated is so we don’t have to worry about getting sick or as sick from these horrible diseases. How many humans in history would’ve loved to have had access to medicines that could prevent sickness and death? Yet, we look at these vaccines and say, “nah, Gimmie the flu, measles, covid, or (insert whatever disease).” It’s unreal.

Literally every single case of the measles in Texas could’ve been prevented. What is our society doing?
 
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