Coronavirus

[Al-O-Meter]

An educator was the index patient in four clusters (B, E, F, and I), a student was the index patient in one cluster (H), and in four clusters (A, C, D, and G), whether the index patient was the student, the educator, or both (i.e., two index cases occurred) could not be determined.

I don't think you understood that study. In the one cluster where the student was the index patient (cluster H), no teacher was ever infected. In that entire study they did not find a single conclusive incident of a student infecting a teacher. It isn't impossible, but students infecting teachers is almost nonexistent.

 

[One Brow]

I don't think you understood that study. In the one cluster where the student was the index patient (cluster H), no teacher was ever infected. In that entire study they did not find a single conclusive incident of a student infecting a teacher. It isn't impossible, but students infecting teachers is almost nonexistent.

Yet, I'm sure you agree that student-student paths also need to be controlled, right?

 

[GVC]

I know it puts me in the minority, but I'm all for it. If Joe Rogan wants to experiment with Ivermectin then I think it is great and I hope it works. My only caveat is that I hope all the data is collected, good outcome or bad, so that our knowledge base increases. I'm all for experimentation, and if a grown adult wants to subject his or her body to experimentation I believe they should be allowed.

Yes. Absolutely this.

Also agree that current vaccines and the continued development of vaccines are our best hope. The widespread poo-pooing of (experimental) treatments as a complement to immunization is stupidly counterproductive.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

Why? Made sense to me.

Do you guys over there really hate each other that much ?

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Yet, I'm sure you agree that student-student paths also need to be controlled, right?

It is not as critical because the incidence of death or serious complications arising from SARS-CoV-2 infection are so much lower than with adults, and as you see in the studies, masks aren't all that effective with students. I let your earlier comment go about masks being 37% effective against original COVID meaning they would also be 37% effective against Delta, but that isn't how it works. Most reputable studies I've read put Delta at twice as transmissible as the original. You can pretty much cut the 37% and 21% in half with Delta. There are studies that put the number even lower than that but they haven't been published by the more prestigious journals and I can be a bit of a journal snob.

If you were curious, here is one that came out yesterday that put the effectiveness of surgical masks at 11% in a study out of Bangladesh.

https://www.poverty-action.org/sites/default/files/publications/Mask_RCT____Symptomatic_Seropositivity_083121.pdf

 

[Deleted member 365]

LMAO. WTF is this take?

The person you’re quoting is merely a troll. He’s one of the smarter ones but he’s still a troll. He spouts nonsense for attention.

 

[Deleted member 365]

This is pretty telling:

 

[Safetydan]

The person you’re quoting is merely a troll. He’s one of the smarter ones but he’s still a troll. He spouts nonsense for attention.

Dude, I read the board a lot more than I post. I wouldn't just throw everyone in the "troll" bucket so quickly. You need more categories.

 

[fishonjazz]

Do you guys over there really hate each other that much ?

Huh?

 

[fishonjazz]

Dude, I read the board a lot more than I post. I wouldn't just throw everyone in the "troll" bucket so quickly. You need more categories.

Ya, Al o meter is not a troll. Im very very glad to have him around and love to hear his perspectives. Also its very fun for me to read him and one brow arguing as they are both much smarter than I am and I could not hope to keep up with either one of them. So its cool to see a couple heavyweights going at it.

 

[Red]

If you were curious, here is one that came out yesterday that put the effectiveness of surgical masks at 11% in a study out of Bangladesh.

That’s being peer reviewed by the journal Science, as I’m sure you already know, but others might not know. Anyway, I just saw, but did not read all, many summaries, and all were touting the study as proving that masks help reduce the spread of Covid. That seems somewhat in contrast to your earlier claim that, except for N95 and K95 masks, other types of masks are only “for show”. I bought a supply of N95 masks, NIOSH approved, last year, but I admit I mostly still use the blue surgicals. The still under peer review report is a lot to digest, so here is one of the summaries.

Surgical masks reduce COVID-19 spread, large-scale study shows

Researchers found that surgical masks impede the spread of COVID-19 and that just a few, low-cost interventions increase mask-wearing compliance.

med.stanford.edu

The Impact of Mask Distribution and Promotion on Mask Uptake and COVID-19 in Bangladesh | IPA

www.poverty-action.org

 

[Safetydan]

Ya, Al o meter is not a troll. Im very very glad to have him around and love to hear his perspectives. Also its very fun for me to read him and one brow arguing as they are both much smarter than I am and I could not hope to keep up with either one of them. So its cool to see a couple heavyweights going at it.

I don't know. Troll, in my mind, is reserved for those who:

1. Know they're wrong but continue to argue a point anyways.
2. Intentionally agitating to get a response

The above is hard to prove since intent is definitely a part of that. Mostly though, you know a troll when you see one. Many of who @The Thriller sees as "trolls" are super genuine in their arguments, they're just dumbasses. Can we all agree that Jazzyfresh is not necessarily a troll but an exceptionally smooth-brained dumbass? Then again, some of Thriller's trolls are just dudes who don't agree with him and don't back down immediately or fail to respond to every single one of his points. @The Thriller is totally free to ignore them at that point but I don't think that makes them a troll automatically.