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One Brow said:
Actually, you acknowledged 37% against the original strain and claim the new strain would drop it to 21%. Having trouble keeping your own claims straight?
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I have no problems keeping my claims straight. I acknowledged a 21% reduction in infection against the original COVID for students. We were talking about students so I used the student's rate, and that rate was against the original SARS-CoV-2. The 37% figure was for teachers against the original COVID. Neither the 21% student rate of protection or the 37% rate for teachers are valid for Delta variant due to Delta variant's R0 number being double the original's R0.

One Brow said:
No, it just possibly prevents her from getting covid19 while she's trying to fight leukemia.
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Chicago has a mask mandate in their schools. She died. We obviously don't agree but I believe that sentiment to be selling false hope.

One Brow said:
If someone thinks a 37/21% reduction justifies not getting a vaccine, they're just looking for a reason to not get the vaccine, and will always be able to come up with one.
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I disagree. I think people can change their minds. Sadly it sometimes takes the death of someone close to them for their eyes to open, but people can be reached. What I don't think helps is saying "[masks] possibly prevents her from getting covid19". I believe the only way through this is getting the vaccine or getting sick and the latter path is risky.
 
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LogGrad98 said:
Wow people are stupid. I hope this guy gets COVID and ends up on a ventilator. I don't want him to die, but a few days in an induced coma oughta open his eyes. *******.

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Classy...

Not that I agree with said father but hoping someone gets covid and having to be put on a ventilator is pretty f* up. I'm sure there are things you do that people dislike but wishing near death? Gross.
 
Avery said:
The youth who died a couple days ago here in Utah had no pre-existing conditions. That said, empirical data is clear that it's an exception that a child dies of Covid, not the norm.

Mandates are only as effective as the adherence to them and that's where they've been ineffective. Mandates make sense at a high-level, but the application of them is the real challenge as it requires humans Americans to do humane things which isn't in our wheelhouse.
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That's better
 
The anti-vaccine/conspiracy loving branch of my family has seen the errors of their ways. Fortunately, it didn't take a death, but it took my 35-year-old nephew getting pretty sick (not hospitalized...yet). He lives with my sister and BIL, and they are all quarantined for 2 weeks because of being unvaccinated. This particular nephew has always bragged to us that he doesn't really believe in COVID, and if it does exist, it won't get him because he's young and healthy. I'm glad he's not sicker, and I'm glad his parents and siblings finally have their first shots. They are angry about it, but they did it.

Will it really take every family having a loved one get really sick or die before these people will figure it out?
 
JazzGal said:
Will it really take every family having a loved one get really sick or die before these people will figure it out?
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Even that’s not enough to turn them in many well documented cases. I wonder if these people really care about their friends and family. Willing to take it to their graves.
 
Red said:
As many know by now, some airlines are now banning cloth masks on planes….

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Major Airlines Are Now Banning Cloth Masks on Planes — Best Life

As COVID cases continue to rise around the world, many major airlines have decided to start banning cloth masks on flights.
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I'm not surprised by this. Having worn every type of mask, cloth is better than nothing, but I wouldn't consider it overly effective. There's a ton of fake N95's floating around now though so you have to be careful what you purchase.

I think social distancing, good hygiene and not touching everything is a more effective measure but impossible to enforce.
 
Avery said:
I'm not surprised by this. Having worn every type of mask, cloth is better than nothing, but I wouldn't consider it overly effective. There's a ton of fake N95's floating around now though so you have to be careful what you purchase.

I think social distancing, good hygiene and not touching everything is a more effective measure but impossible to enforce.
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Agreed. I ordered a supply of N95 masks very early in the pandemic, when the wait was a long time, due to demand. But, I researched first, and made sure they were NIOSH approved. My glasses still fog up, indicating leaks. They are supposed to be fitted to one’s face, but it’s not like you buy them by size, like shoes or something. They are all the same size. I adjust the fit as best I can. But I confess I am just as likely to grab my blue surgical mask, or double up the blue surgical masks, which our local hospitals required in visiting hours months ago. One needed to wear two surgical style masks at that time, before vaccines were widespread.
 
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