Coronavirus

[FalseFlagg K]

You referenced to babydicks that he misrepresented Sweden. I was pointing out that what Denmark (which babydicks also referred to) did was get vaccinated to get to where they are, not some other magic strategy...

Edit: as far as I can see, their rate per 100,000 is about half what ours is, but hospitalizations and deaths are much, much lower, which shows vaccines are working to prevent serious illness and death.

oops replied to the wrong dude apologies Point being is BabyP has talked like Sweden and Denmark did the same thing and they clearly went very different routes. Denmark did use all the measures you've mentioned. Sweden did something very different. But yeah Denmark's results have been super impressive.

 

[Red]

64%-36% landslide for Newsome, is a landslide for vaccinations.

From NY Times columnist David Leonhardt:

In the run-up to yesterday’s recall election in California, both Gov. Gavin Newsom and his critics framed it as a judgment on his handling of the pandemic. Newsom embraced his enactment of aggressive mask and vaccine mandates. His leading Republican opponent, Larry Elder, promised to cancel those mandates before drinking his first cup of tea on his first day in office.

Newsome’s Covid policies are closer to what the median American voter favors than the Republican approach is. Prominent Republicans have described Covid vaccine mandates as tyrannical, even though all 50 states impose other vaccine mandates. Some Republicans have also banned businesses and schools from taking evidence-based steps and promoted medical treatments that seem to do more harm than good.​

In doing so, these politicians are aligning themselves with a minority of Americans. Nationwide, less than 25 percent of adults have not yet received a Covid vaccine shot. Only 26 percent oppose a vaccine mandate at their workplace, according to an Associated Press poll last month.​ Vaccinations, as CNN’s Brian Stelter has noted, are not a 50-50 issue.​ No wonder that, in the country’s most populous state, the public health consensus triumphed over its critics yesterday.​

 

[Avery]

In the run-up to yesterday’s recall election in California, both Gov. Gavin Newsom and his critics framed it as a judgment on his handling of the pandemic. Newsom embraced his enactment of aggressive mask and vaccine mandates. His leading Republican opponent, Larry Elder, promised to cancel those mandates before drinking his first cup of tea on his first day in office.

64%-36% landslide for Newsome. A landslide for vaccinations.

Newsome’s Covid policies are closer to what the median American voter favors than the Republican approach is. Prominent Republicans have described Covid vaccine mandates as tyrannical, even though all 50 states impose other vaccine mandates. Some Republicans have also banned businesses and schools from taking evidence-based steps and promoted medical treatments that seem to do more harm than good.​

In doing so, these politicians are aligning themselves with a minority of Americans. Nationwide, less than 25 percent of adults have not yet received a Covid vaccine shot. Only 26 percent oppose a vaccine mandate at their workplace, according to an Associated Press poll last month.​

I can’t believe it cost $276M to do the recall effort.

 

[JazzyFresh]

Lol because of the vaccine. It's because he's black let's not kid ourselves.

 

[Deleted member 365]

64%-36% landslide for Newsome, is a landslide for vaccinations.

From NY Times columnist David Leonhardt:

In the run-up to yesterday’s recall election in California, both Gov. Gavin Newsom and his critics framed it as a judgment on his handling of the pandemic. Newsom embraced his enactment of aggressive mask and vaccine mandates. His leading Republican opponent, Larry Elder, promised to cancel those mandates before drinking his first cup of tea on his first day in office.

Newsome’s Covid policies are closer to what the median American voter favors than the Republican approach is. Prominent Republicans have described Covid vaccine mandates as tyrannical, even though all 50 states impose other vaccine mandates. Some Republicans have also banned businesses and schools from taking evidence-based steps and promoted medical treatments that seem to do more harm than good.​

In doing so, these politicians are aligning themselves with a minority of Americans. Nationwide, less than 25 percent of adults have not yet received a Covid vaccine shot. Only 26 percent oppose a vaccine mandate at their workplace, according to an Associated Press poll last month.​ Vaccinations, as CNN’s Brian Stelter has noted, are not a 50-50 issue.​ No wonder that, in the country’s most populous state, the public health consensus triumphed over its critics yesterday.​

There always seems to be a 30-40 percent range of voters who want to replace competent government with a clown show. Elder would’ve been a clown show, like Trump. Interesting. Have you read about Karen Stenner and how she believes at least 30 percent of the population is drawn to authoritarianism/authoritarian figures?

Authoritarianism: The Terrifying Trait That Trump Triggers

Latent authoritarianism is surprisingly common—and a threat to liberal democracy. Psychologist Karen Stenner explains how it is triggered.

psmag.com

 

[Red]

There always seems to be a 30-40 percent range of voters who want to replace competent government with a clown show. Elder would’ve been a clown show, like Trump. Interesting. Have you read about Karen Stenner and how she believes at least 30 percent of the population is drawn to authoritarianism/authoritarian figures?

Authoritarianism: The Terrifying Trait That Trump Triggers

Latent authoritarianism is surprisingly common—and a threat to liberal democracy. Psychologist Karen Stenner explains how it is triggered.

psmag.com

No, I don’t think I have read her specifically, but yes, I am aware that a not insignificant % of people will be attracted to authoritarianism. I’ve never had any reason to believe Americans would be any different in that respect.

 

[Deleted member 365]

No, I don’t think I have read her specifically, but yes, I am aware that a not insignificant % of people will be attracted to authoritarianism. I’ve never had any reason to believe Americans would be any different in that respect.

Definitely worth a listen. This was my into into her work

Karen Stenner

Podcast Episode · The Good Fight · 03/13/2019 · 59m

podcasts.apple.com

 

[Red]

I can’t believe it cost $276M to do the recall effort.

As you likely know, Elder’s campaign created a webpage where they claimed they had detected fraud in the recall election, before the day of the election, and before votes were counted. I do believe the GOP, in general, has every intention of utilizing fraud allegations in important elections they happen to lose, moving forward. I must accept what now seems certain: the power grab by the GOP will include any means needed to win elections, any means will justify the end of Republican victories. And the base, where “owning the libs” also justifies any means to that end, will support fictitious claims of fraud. Changes at the state level enacted by some red states will likely see efforts at the state level to overturn results that are not what they want.

But that conversation is probably better left for the Election Fraud thread. I mention it here because I believe a landslide as big as this California landslide will at least make it a tad difficult, lol, for Elder to push his bs narrative now.

 

[Red]

Definitely worth a listen. This was my into into her work

Karen Stenner

Podcast Episode · The Good Fight · 03/13/2019 · 59m

podcasts.apple.com

I’ll definitely check her out later today. Thanks for the recommendation….

 

[One Brow]

What part of the constitution gives the government a right to force my private business to vaccinate?

Technically, it's vaccinate or test, and that's covered by the Commerce clause.

Where does it say the government has a right to force me against my religion to vax? I'm actually protected.

Absolutely. You can't be forced to vaccinate. As a person who believes in that employees are on an equal footing with employers in negotiations, you should negotiate a refusal to get vaccinated and tested with your employer.

Get out of here with your "hand on constitution" lying *** .

Since your not patriotic enough to get vaccinated, I'm not concerned with your opinion here.

Liberty-

the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior, or political views.

You are free to not get vaccinated nor tested, and free to negotiate that with your employer.

 

[One Brow]

What do you think about this?

Sounds like the vaccine is working.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

I’ll definitely check her out later today. Thanks for the recommendation….

If you haven’t yet checked this out, I can sum it up for you.

Karen Stenner believes acceptance of authoritarianism is directly related to the Big 5 personality trait of Openness.

What Are the Big 5 Personality Traits?

Many in psychology believe there are five primary personality traits. Learn about the "Big 5" personality traits, as well as what it means to be high or low in each.

www.verywellmind.com

She uses gross stereotypes to justify her position. If you see all people on the political right through the lens of stereotype then I can see how this would resonate. To the credit of Yascha Mounk, he says at the very beginning of the podcast that he doesn’t believe what Karen Stenner is saying is necessarily correct but I can see why some would eat this stuff up.

After she gets through her caricature of “if you want to conserve things then you are an authoritarian”, she ventures into some more interesting ideas. Essentially what she says is the faster society changes, fewer and fewer can keep up. If society doesn’t change at all then everyone can keep up, and if society changes at a medium pace then perhaps 90% of the people can adapt with society, while if change is super-fast then very few can adapt to the changes. Those who can’t adapt fast enough become backwards looking, wanting to conserve, and are therefore authoritarian. In effect, we got authoritarian Donald Trump because demographics are rapidly changing, gays are everywhere on TV, women are men, children can be trans, etc., etc.

Stenner’s proposed solution to halting this march of authoritarianism is to slow the rate of change and increase unifying traditions that increase what she terms “us-i-ness”. Using her earlier foundation it sounds like she’s come to the oxymoron of conservatism (which is authoritarianism) is the solution to authoritarianism. I don't mean to talk it down too much because I think the last 20 minutes of the podcast is the strongest part.

Karen Stenner isn’t my thing but she commonly collaborates with Johathan Haidt who I do highly respect so she can’t be all bad. That said, I much prefer the work of Johathan Haidt.