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scientific of course Maybe not so much in the US because you've already had so many people die. But government statistics in places like the UK and Australia are showing an alarming rise in excess deaths in the last 5-6 months that can't be accounted for. The Scottish government has just released some interesting data
I just looked these up, but some countries don't have recent entries.


Australia was in the 30s early this year, did they go up from that? By contrast, UK ran in the negatives most of the year. Are they about average for the year overall?

With record heatwaves in both countries, is this the effect of heatstroke, etc.? I don't know.
 
This this is not Trump-related, I moved the reply here.

When the government asks private companies to censor information, this becomes the issue. How do you know nothing was censored? I provided a link that the government asked to take down a parody account. I think that is censorship. Plus we don't have the all the information yet.
I don't know anything about that particular account. When I think of a parody account, I think of something that makes no pretense of being the real thing (Devin Nunes' Cow is clearly not Devin Nunes). On the other hand, AnthonyFauciOfficial is a lot less obvious. What was the content like? Why would someone specifically have to say "It is not actually one of ours:"? If it's a parody, that should be obvious, if not from the name, then from the content. Did you follow this Instagram account? What were its contents? How do you know it was a parody?

By the way, how many Facebook/Instagram accounts post material critical of Fauci to this day (I guess over 10,000)? Out of thousands of account, we have this (and I'm sure there are another dozen or so) selected for removal. If censorship is the goal, this is a truly 1%-assed way to go about it (half-assed would have been far too generous). On the other hand, if the CDC wants to maintain the difference between official documentation and material not from the CDC, this outcome is exactly what we would expect.

The DOJ is "refusing to produce communications between the most senior officials and social media companies". Why hide it, if everything is square?

Everything is not square, but that doesn't have much to do with censoring political opinions. We don't have everything because the DoJ doesn't want us to understand that almost every American is carrying around a government tracking device. They have back doors into every big social media site and every major software company. They are capable of tracking our location going back years.



This is the beginning and will continue with shutting down all stories that would hurt any administration. Why suppress the information?
What were the stories being shut down on AnthonyFauciOfficial? Let's say Bucknutz is a member of the state legislature. Should I be able to open a Twitter account as the real Bucknutz, spout out offensive rhetoric pretending to be the real Bucknutz. and take political positions that Bucknutz opposes as a part of this pretense? Or, do you think you should be allowed to present your own positions as you see fit, without another account misrepresenting you. Is it free speech to steal your identity and speak for you?

Again, why is only one account being listed here, when there where hundreds or thousand existing that could have been listed? Why single this one out?

So you can only post what the CDC says? You shouldn't post about information that pushes back against some of its claims?
Last I heard, no one was stopping antivaxxers from posting. They were just marking the posts as containing misleading information. You don't think lies should be marked as lies? Why do you want to censor Facebook and Twitter?

Why do they have to go to the government?
Do you have a better source that the CDC for information about infectious diseases/vaccines? If so, I don't have any problem with them using that source. What's your suggestion?

Okay, let's use this example. If Trump gets reelected and his administration pushes information they want out into the public and asks Facebook, Instagram, Twitter to censor anyone who posts information that goes directly against their message, you would be for that? Because they are the government? Why use any other source.
None of that happening in the documents Schmitt offered, AFAICT. However, if someone unauthorized got on Twitter claiming to be Donald Trump, I fully support Trump being able to have that account taken down. How about you?

I would rather have the government stay out of private companies.
The government has the best science resources because the government funds most of the science. Why should companies take advantage of that?

If I was a Social Media company, why wouldn't you want to have many medical professionals put out information and a person can choose to what to read or research.
Again, all that's happening is that certain posts are being marked as misleading. Faulty medical information can do serious harm.

Also, are you for censoring medical information from non-medical professionals (because you'll have a magnitude greater non-medical sources, some of them falsely claiming to be MDs)? If not, your use of "medical professionals" was either highly naive or grossly misleading.

What's the difference between traditional media and their "information"
Dan Donovan gave an ignorant take, and Abigail Marone mischaracterized what the President said. They still have active accounts and aren't even marked as misleading. The accounts' existence disproves your claims.

This comes right from the President...this was completely false as well.
"... so you do not spread the disease ..." is only an absolute statement to people who want to find fault with what he's saying.
 
Moved here for better topic relevance:

Dude. C’mon. Nothing censored ???? If you genuinely think that then I’m the next starting small forward for the Utah Jazz
Were Facebook and Twitter posts flagged as being unreliable? Absolutely. That is not censorship, that's free speech.

Really over anyone having genuine and well founded reservations based on data and the pure and utter fact that these vaccines haven’t been studied for anywhere near long enough being labelled anti vaxxer and lumped in with the lunatics fringe
I appreciate your complaint on this, and I hope you appreciate that I have not lumped you in with the lunatic fringe, and recognized your position is nuanced and cautious.

Have you have posts flagged on Facebook/Twitter?
 
I don’t get the criticism here.

Masks, social distancing, hand washing, and vaccines definitely help prevent the spread of Covid and/or limit its severity. Sort of like how seat belts, brakes, and air bags improve the safety of a motor vehicle. True, they’re not 100 percent effective. But what rational human being ever thought they were?

This thread has become weird. This is what happens when a handful of people must keep pounding away at the narrative they started out with. It’s fine to admit you were wrong, didn’t have all the info, or that there’s no perfect solution out there.
 
Washington Post. No paywall…Long Covid will be one of the lasting, and devastating, legacies of this pandemic.

The world is moving on from the pandemic. Not so for these Covid long-haulers:


In many countries around the world, the hope is that the worst of the coronavirus pandemic is over. People have stripped off their masks. Quarantine rules are vanishing.

But three years in, there is still no standard test or treatment for post-covid conditions. Millions suffer from unexplained symptoms that many fear will far outlast the pandemic: unrelenting fatigue, memory loss, chest pain, diarrhea and boomeranging heart rates.

Data collected in June by the U.S. Census Bureau and analyzed by the National Center for Health Statistics showed that nearly one in five Americans who developed covid-19 still have long covid symptoms.

“Globally, no one understands what’s going on,” said Laurent Uzan, a French sports cardiologist who treats younger people with long covid. “We don’t give people a miracle cure. It’s a real war for them, daily.”

To understand how people around the world are coping, we invited readers to share their experiences with long covid, which the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention defines as a chronic condition in which symptoms appear for at least four weeks after the initial infection.

Nearly 400 people from the District to the Philippines told us how long covid has impacted their lives. We heard from a nurse who said he was fired when he could no longer work, a single mother of five who struggles to sleep, a former drill sergeant with tremors and many others. Each person experienced a unique kind of suffering, but their stories shared common themes of isolation, fear and feeling left behind by health systems, employers and friends.

Here are five stories from survivors with whom we spoke over several months. These interviews have been condensed and edited for clarity, and in some cases translated into English.

Yeah, so both of my stepparents seem to have had issues arise from long haul Covid effects.

My stepmom had a weird episode on Christmas. Basically passed out, was unresponsive. Maybe a stroke. Doctors don’t know. They ran all these tests on her heart. See if **** wasn’t firing properly. Nothing was conclusive. Mind you, she’s 64, in amazing shape (probably 5’4”, 120 pounds) and is a pescatarian. Just overall great shape and insanely active—30-40 mile bike rides, like that. My stepdad a couple weeks ago had a heart attack. Not The Godfather collapsing type, just chest pain, went to the ER, and that’s what they told him. I guess that could just be the issue. He had 99% blockage in one artery and 90% in the other…had one stent put in and getting the other one soon so I suppose that’s not long haul effects. It just seemed odd at the time because he’s also quite active and skinny. So strong. At age 65 or so he did an 8 mile Spartan race and was able to climb the rope to the top which is about 25 feet I guess. I honestly think he could do it in six years once he hits 80. Just a very strong dude too.
 
The COVID deniers in my family are the ones that seem to have long-term issues. Karma? My brother has been getting terrible stabbing headaches ever since he had COVID. His wife now has shortness of breath issues that she didn't have before. My aunt has terrible fatigue and memory issues that came on right after having COVID.

Yet they still believe that COVID wasn't that big a deal and the doctors and government lied about people's cause of death. And masks don't work. And MAGA.
 
I didnt really think I had long term effects from the covid I am almost postive I got when I visited USA about a year ago. But I have shortness of breath, my memory has been really ****** lately, have had migraines that I never had before, and worst of all I have become a lightweight when drinking. Now I am pretty sure all of this started around that time I was only sick for about 3 days but it was all the symptoms and I was fairly sick. I was vaccinated well before then with both the Chinese vaccine and J&J which I had no issues with.
 
The COVID deniers in my family are the ones that seem to have long-term issues. Karma? My brother has been getting terrible stabbing headaches ever since he had COVID. His wife now has shortness of breath issues that she didn't have before. My aunt has terrible fatigue and memory issues that came on right after having COVID.

Yet they still believe that COVID wasn't that big a deal and the doctors and government lied about people's cause of death. And masks don't work. And MAGA.
Sadly, there's just no reasoning with MAGA. It's been that way with my extended family as well. It doesn't matter the issue, Russian meddling, Qanon, 2020 election, Covid, etc. No amount of evidence or proof is enough to shake their feelings that (1 Trump is Great (2 Doctors, media, establishment, expertise, etc are wrong, evil, and out to get "them." On a personal level, it has a very religious undertone to it. A toxic mix of martyrdom, Mormonism (it just "feels" right and how dare you question my feelings!), and Skousen/Benson John Birch Society like conspiracy.
 
Our health care system sucks so bad. Worst delivery method of the entire industrialized world. You can’t treat health care as a commodity. It’s not like selling popcorn. If people can’t afford care, they die. It’s utterly insane how we let big pharma and the insurance industry decide our health care.

But hey, I guess it keeps rich people super rich.


View: https://twitter.com/johngreen/status/1567578183683162116?s=46&t=SVWcG5vPEGVux9r0DM0I4A

Just doing our part to solve overpopulation. One disadvantaged American at a time.
 
Our health care system sucks so bad.
I guess this won’t help:


An irresponsible sentence that Justice Samuel Alito wrote eight years ago may now excuse religious people from nearly every legal obligation they have, so long as a hypothetical, nonexistent government program could substitute for it.

That became clear this week when Judge Reed O’Connor declared in Braidwood Management v. Becerra that employers with religious objections may offer health plans without drugs that prevent transmission of HIV, contraception, the HPV vaccine and screenings and behavioral counseling for STDs and drug use. The employers claim that providing such coverage makes them complicit in homosexual behavior, drug use and sexual activity outside of marriage….

….Ginsburg was right that there is no stopping point. Perhaps emergency rooms in religious hospitals can turn away women hemorrhaging from failed pregnancies, because government could always build emergency rooms of its own.

…..There is today a serious danger to religious liberty. But it is coming from the Supreme Court, which has been construing it to mean a right to hurt people. If this is now its authoritative meaning, then the longstanding, broad consensus that supported it will collapse.
 
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I guess this won’t help:


An irresponsible sentence that Justice Samuel Alito wrote eight years ago may now excuse religious people from nearly every legal obligation they have, so long as a hypothetical, nonexistent government program could substitute for it.

That became clear this week when Judge Reed O’Connor declared in Braidwood Management v. Becerra that employers with religious objections may offer health plans without drugs that prevent transmission of HIV, contraception, the HPV vaccine and screenings and behavioral counseling for STDs and drug use. The employers claim that providing such coverage makes them complicit in homosexual behavior, drug use and sexual activity outside of marriage….

….Ginsburg was right that there is no stopping point. Perhaps emergency rooms in religious hospitals can turn away women hemorrhaging from failed pregnancies, because government could always build emergency rooms of its own.

…..There is today a serious danger to religious liberty. But it is coming from the Supreme Court, which has been construing it to mean a right to hurt people. If this is now its authoritative meaning, then the longstanding, broad consensus that supported it will collapse.
This angers me so much. But this is what conservatives wanted, right? They hated that rules were now applying to them just like everyone else. So for decades now they've organized groups (like the Federalist Society) and have stacked the courts in such a way that only a small group of privileged people belonging to extremist religions are exempt from the responsibilities of living in our society. They benefit greatly from the infrastructure and safety of 21st century America but don't have any responsibility.
 
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