Thee Jazz Fan
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Those guys you said we had a 1% chance, which is ridiculous and complete crap. Doing your trade destroys any chance we have of building a contender
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Those guys you said we had a 1% chance, which is ridiculous and complete crap. Doing your trade destroys any chance we have of building a contender
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LoPo
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Name some names so we can discuss. Are you talking about Tobias? Does he make us a contender? Middleton?
Thee Jazz Fan
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With last years defense, yes. Your whole argument is that we can’t sign a Harris or Middleton. So let’s get Russell. We sure as hell doesn’t get us to contention, so let’s be patient, not do anything Knick like and build our reputation so we can sign a Harris, and while at it let’s let mitchell continue to progress and improve the offense. Middleton and Harris are possible signs, and I know it’s impossible for you to wrap your tiny brain around that fact.
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Yay, insults. I hope you feel bigger.
Yes, Harris is having a great season. He's also in his 8th NBA season and just this year is looking like a stud. I would love to have him and have said that all along. Despite all that, I would argue that the next 5 years looks brighter for D'Angelo Russell than Tobias Harris. Russell is only 22 and has played on awful teams with suspect coaching. He plays in a league where backcourt play is pivotal. As an oversized PG, he would be extremely valuable next to Donovan Mitchell.
Oh, and the number 1 reason I like D'Angelo in this scenario: we would have him. In the Tobias scenario, we have to hope he doesn't stay at the Clippers where he is having a career year AND then convince him to come to us.
LoPo
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The great thing about getting him right now would be that we would have his restricted free agent rights. We could either sign him long term or have the market dictate his value. There is a slight chance that some team signs him for less than max and we just match it. There is also a chance that another team signs him to a max deal we have to match, but a max deal this summer is going to be a bargain compared to a max deal in 2020 since the salary cap is still spiking up.
Just like with Tobias and Middleton, I have a hard time believing we can sign him to an offer sheet this summer. There are just so many teams with cap space.
I think the Russell we are seeing now is the peak of what he is. I don't mind overpaying for 2nd contract players if I think they have a high ceiling, but I don't see that with Russell.
I'm not trying to say he's bad, but he's a 23 year old who plays like a 33 year old Jose Calderon. He can't get by anyone in isolation, he's terrible at finishing, and can't get to the FT line.
I'm not trying to say he's bad, but he's a 23 year old who plays like a 33 year old Jose Calderon. He can't get by anyone in isolation, he's terrible at finishing, and can't get to the FT line.
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I agree with Cy's statement and the trouble in acquiring him is either you have to overpay as mentioned by stitches or trade and then hope you can sign him to something closer to value or match something reasonable. You pay a premium for the name/draft pedigree. His teammate, Spencer Dinwiddie, is a much better player... but fought through injuries, being waived, etc. so he may not be viewed as better.
Russell's game last night is a good example... 22 and 13 is great... did it on 21 shots (4 turnovers is fine) but zero FT attempts... and pretty bad defense. That's a really good Russell game though. He's like Zach LaVine to me... kinda empty stats and doesn't always play winning basketball. If we got him at 17-19M a year in FA with no other acquisition costs then I'm cool with the gamble. Overpay him and that could go sideways quickly... give up assets in a trade and then have to overpay him and I think its horrendous.
Remember... there are some **** teams with cap space this year... no one will come cheap.
LoPo
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He's not the perfect player, but he's an improvement on what we have and should only get better.
The most points Calderon ever scored in a season was 12.8ppg (his second was 11.6). Russell has averaged more than that in all 4 of his pro seasons.
Thee Jazz Fan
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You sound like some of the Knicks GM’s from over the years. I don’t want to just be decent or ok. And we’d be lucky if Russell gets us to that point
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Russell has taken 150 shots in December and only attempted 8 free throws.