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D'Angelo Russell

LoPo said:
I respect your stance on it.

If we just wait until summer free agency, who would you target?
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The big thing here is there is a lot of serious free agents so just by that virtue alone, you snag one.

Still in on any/all of them. I’m not sure how the etiquette works here, but the gist is just throw big money on the table for Middleton, Mirotic, Harris, Butler, Klay, Kawhi, and whoever I’m missing, then leave it up to them to leave it on the table. The next window to make any kind of similar move (good team with max cap space and lots of good free agents) probably doesn’t happen again while Donovan and Gobert are here, so try to follow through with the plan.

The other thing is there are likely teams that will try to jettison salary coming into the offseason. Decent players might be had just for having the space.
 
And the unchecked Rubio hate here is ridiculous.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rubiori01/on-off/2019

Jazz are a +6.2 net rating with Rubio on the floor compared to off. These last two losses? The huge droughts have come with Rubio off the floor.

I don't think Rubio has to stay on the team, but it's disgusting how quickly some people want to ship him off for an average player.

And if you're were wondering, here are Russell's on/off stats: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/russeda01/on-off/2019

Theyre a worse team with him on the court. A net rating of -3.5 with him on the court compared to off. Oh, and it's been like that every year of his career.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
And the unchecked Rubio hate here is ridiculous.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rubiori01/on-off/2019

Jazz are a +6.2 net rating with Rubio on the floor compared to off. These last two losses? The huge droughts have come with Rubio off the floor.

I don't think Rubio has to stay on the team, but it's disgusting how quickly some people want to ship him off for an average player.

And if you're were wondering, here are Russell's on/off stats: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/russeda01/on-off/2019

Theyre a worse team with him on the court. A net rating of -3.5 with him on the court compared to off. Oh, and it's been like that every year of his career.
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I think Rubio could work if DM was a more consistent shooter and we added a shooting 4. Ingles also being off also kills us.

I think its and either or thing with him. Like if we keep him we need to get a change of pace shooter as a backup (exum needs to go if Rubio stays) and have shooting bigs.

Its the combination of all of those things that leads to the huge swings we have. It isn't exclusively a Ricky thing. My worry with Ricky is are we pounding a square peg into a round hole... like does he fit the system and style... definitely not perfectly. If his next contract reflects the clunky fit he could be a keeper... and I think his market will be a bit limited so if a couple teams pass we could get a continuity discount.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Brogdon >>> Russell and he's more obtainable.

Same with Bledsoe.
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I soured on Bledsoe during the Boston series, but Bucks had a truly awful coach and Boston is a really good defensive team. The hate went to far. He's been friggin awesome this year. He's quite good at staying with the ball handler on pick and rolls and locking guys up that way... if you paired that with Rudy... whoa.

Bled
DM
Ingles
Gallo
Rudy

I'm fully erect.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I agree with Cy's statement and the trouble in acquiring him is either you have to overpay as mentioned by stitches or trade and then hope you can sign him to something closer to value or match something reasonable. You pay a premium for the name/draft pedigree. His teammate, Spencer Dinwiddie, is a much better player... but fought through injuries, being waived, etc. so he may not be viewed as better.

Russell's game last night is a good example... 22 and 13 is great... did it on 21 shots (4 turnovers is fine) but zero FT attempts... and pretty bad defense. That's a really good Russell game though. He's like Zach LaVine to me... kinda empty stats and doesn't always play winning basketball. If we got him at 17-19M a year in FA with no other acquisition costs then I'm cool with the gamble. Overpay him and that could go sideways quickly... give up assets in a trade and then have to overpay him and I think its horrendous.

Remember... there are some **** teams with cap space this year... no one will come cheap.
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Sounds a whole lot like Utah's young phenom.

And Lavine>DM right now.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I soured on Bledsoe during the Boston series, but Bucks had a truly awful coach and Boston is a really good defensive team. The hate went to far. He's been friggin awesome this year. He's quite good at staying with the ball handler on pick and rolls and locking guys up that way... if you paired that with Rudy... whoa.

Bled
DM
Ingles
Gallo
Rudy

I'm fully erect.
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Im no huge fan of Bledsoe, and he's another guy I don't think is a clear and obvious upgrade to Rubio, but he's better than Russell.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
What if I told you there was a guy that is almost Russell exact same age... that is a more efficient scorer this year, but has some of the same knocks. This player also can be had for about half the price and has recently had a 9 game run where they put up 20 and 6 in 30 mins a game on 57% TS... you want him... how much would you pay a year for him?
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No one responded to this... Go compare Russell to Mudiay and tell me how much you think Russell will get in FA and how much you think Mudiay will get.
 
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