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Dr. Jones said:
lol.. good one.

Was not in my top10 doe
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gotta hear some of dem.

I hate what the Oilers have become, side note. No team in a major American sport needs an FO re-haul as desperately. Toxic franchise.
 
dalamon said:
I could honestly be talked into some sort of 'unhealthy food' tax law. A logistical nightmare to get that tax network in shape, probably. Still, there's so much garbage out there.
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dalamon said:
I would say that it's a bit of an oversimplification to tether fatness to industrial development. Different industrialized nations deal with obesity to varying extents, because it is so nuanced. Unfortunately, the income disparity, the segregational nature of North American metropolitan neighbourhoods, and the lack of a social welfare net to encourage the healthy lifestyles of the lower classes will continue to push Americans towards obesity (among many other factors).
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Disagree with both of these, but especially the first one. I also don't want to explain why, so I'll just leave it at that.

The Oilers left Houston years ago, man. You need to catch up.
 
E.J. Wells said:
Disagree with both of these, but especially the first one. I also don't want to explain why, so I'll just leave it at that.

The Oilers left Houston years ago, man. You need to catch up.
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the first I can understand-- the second is just a reflection of you growing up in a culture that constantly hammers home the importance of individualism.
 
dalamon said:
I would say that it's a bit of an oversimplification to tether fatness to industrial development. Different industrialized nations deal with obesity to varying extents, because it is so nuanced. Unfortunately, the income disparity, the segregational nature of North American metropolitan neighbourhoods, and the lack of a social welfare net to encourage the healthy lifestyles of the lower classes will continue to push Americans towards obesity (among many other factors).
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I hate how you have the tendency to muddle up simple truths with unnecessary complexity. What I said was not an "oversimplification". It is a general trend. Obesity is mainly a problem of modern life, which is a consequence of development. Do you disagree with this? The differences of obesity levels between nations are cultural, and thus can be addressed with cultural solutions. Do you disagree with anything specific? An information dump that doesn't quite respond to my statement makes meaningful conversation really difficult.
 
Siro said:
I hate how you have the tendency to muddle up simple truths with unnecessary complexity. What I said was not an "oversimplification". It is a general trend. Obesity is mainly a problem of modern life, which is a consequence of development. Do you disagree with this? The differences of obesity levels between nations are cultural, and thus can be addressed with cultural solutions. Do you disagree with anything specific? An information dump that doesn't quite respond to my statement makes meaningful conversation really difficult.
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This is nothing like my early slap-downs of Daladowns, but I like it.
 
franklin said:
I also don't see how public campaigns like anti-tobacco make much of a long run difference. Sure it saves lives immediately but knowledge is knowledge and it has a quaint way of getting out. Who's to say 20-30 years we wouldn't make the exact same change based on knowledge and loving parents trying to teach their children the best? Good thing QSH the parent hater isn't here to answer that one...
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Who's to say that we would make the same change? Who's to say that we'd make a worse change? How about all of those lives that could have been saved with just a bit of gentle shaming 30 years earlier? More importantly, what value does the hypothesis "maybe things will work themselves out eventually" have when the competing method has already proven that it can work things out?
 
Siro said:
I hate how you have the tendency to muddle up simple truths with unnecessary complexity. What I said was not an "oversimplification". It is a general trend. Obesity is mainly a problem of modern life, which is a consequence of development. Do you disagree with this? The differences of obesity levels between nations are cultural, and thus can be addressed with cultural solutions. Do you disagree with anything specific? An information dump that doesn't quite respond to my statement makes meaningful conversation really difficult.
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I'm sorry, I'm not trying to muddle up conversation-- of course it's probably one of (if not the) driving factors of obesity rates; however, if it was the only one, we have pretty consistent rates of obesity across all nations with similar levels of economic development. Interesting, we don't see that, which begs further questioning. Obesity is a huge, huge problem-- it has bankrupting potential for the health care systems of numerous governments.

I would say the differences between nations are social, which to me encompasses culture, government, and their society in general. I think where I disagree with you is that we can implement changes in society, in government that will impact obesity rates moreso than any cultural methods I can think of (like, approaching obesity like we approached tobacco). I think that shaming obesity is a terrible solution.
 
@siro - Just wondering if that ^^ was another irrelevant information dump? Just wondering if Trout may be texting me a pic of it.
 
Siro said:
Who's to say that we would make the same change? Who's to say that we'd make a worse change? How about all of those lives that could have been saved with just a bit of gentle shaming 30 years earlier? More importantly, what value does the hypothesis "maybe things will work themselves out eventually" have when the competing method has already proven that it can work things out?
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What, shaming on obesity? Do you not feel like our society has already constructed (especially for women) as obesity being an unfavourable trait?

The biggest difference between shaming something like tobacco, and shaming something as broad as obesity, is that tobacco can be avoidable for a significant portion of the population.

If you tell an inner-city family to stop being obese-- yet they have no access to grocery stores, no access to gyms, and no access to competent athletics programs for their children, then the shaming won't get you anywhere.
 
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