Dennis Schroeder "will seek other opportunities to be a starter"...

[BTP]

Which quite literally does not matter. Like, at all. Players get moved without public knowledge all the time. This is the expectation, in order to not throw the team who drafted you under the bus.

This is simply an invalid excuse for any human

I don't read your posts all the time-- but I know you're German, so I just put 1 and 1 together. It was the only explanation (to me) as to how you can excuse him of his antics as just "well he's JUST an NBA player u guys!"

Quotes appear in multiple sources, and it's easy to find them in context-- I'll spare you the time: I translated entire articles from German during the 2013 draft (I actually wanted us to draft Dennis with 14, but only because I thought Burke would be out of our reach) and the context was there. He's immature. Plain and simple.

We saw this again when he blamed his team's loss on his coach's "stupid idea" to foul when up 3 (very common) even though he missed a free-throw that would ice the game-- ROFLMAO. Classic Dennis.

"These players"? Name one player on the Jazz with Schröder's attitude problem.

So you are giving teams a free pass to be not loyal to their employees? But players should be loyal to their employer at all times? Sorry, man world doesn't work like this. Not in the last 10 million years, probably not going to change in the next 10 minutes.

And what you say excuse, I call an explanation. And as I previously said one that I don't necessarily agree upon.

So that's racial/nationalistic profiling that you exert upon me when expecting I'm going to be a homer of a German player no matter what.
Also would you say headstrong egoistic behaviors is an anomaly with athletes in the National Basketball Association? Or their executives even?

I mock drafted Rudy at 14 here. After his first year I thought: Dam son, I thought he'd be better with a relatively healthy rookie season(There was that toenail situation at the start of that season)
After that my expectations were lowered to a point where I thought Rudy's ceiling was to be a rim protection specialist on backup units.
Then he destroys Spain in the World Cup and last season happened.
I also think as a player on the court Dennis is pretty good. Because he's got elite attributes in the areas of spatial awareness and speed. And those specific ones aren't easy to stop w/o opening up other opportunities. I also think he has a legit chance to have a better career than Rondo based on longevity and retrospect criticism of Rondo, that he was only good with all the hall of famers around him and ppl not being enough aware of "advanced statistics" back then.

I've heard rumours what happened after that specific game with the coach being upset at Dennis for not hitting free throws (When Dennis was clearly the main reason Germany was in a position to win)
A coach should know what personalities their players have. And not saying the coach can't have one himself. But he's gotta live with the results of his decisions. If he decides to go after a player that has 29 points, 6/7 free throws and 10 points in the 4th quarter and that guy has an attitude, then he should know there's gonna be microphones in front of that guy minutes later. Maybe it was even calculated to get that public discussion and to let Dennis experience the public reaction on that controversy. Who knows? I'm not gonna judge a 22 year old for that.

BOth Burke and Burks show their attitude on the court from my perspective. OH and then there was this Kanter guy. Remember him?
He btw did everyhing right and his agent got him a monster contract(Tristan's gotta be jealous that Rich Paul couldn't get him a similar result)

 

[addictionary]

We all love highlight videos, but usually dont see a players complete game. I love seeing the assists on highlight videos, and wish
they would feature more.

Think about this too. Dante has the skill to absolutely blow by defenders, and be the man. That is not what I question. Does he
have the balls, drive, and courage to? Watch Schroeder driving to the hoop. Have we seen Dante do any of this? Can you picture Exum
finishing the way schroeder does?

Exum would be more effective than Dennis, if he had a mindset like Russell Westbrook. But to each his own. This player is still too young. Not too far only last year, he said that his mom was happy to know that Utah is a good place and Dante can walk out at nights. Lol.

 

[fishonjazz]

right because this can't be done through coaching staff and agents-- must be done through the media.


Shows Schro's immaturity, and your fanboyism.

Did you read his post?
He said maybe dennis already tried simply speaking to his coaching staff and agents but got no results...... And then at that point went through the media

 

[addictionary]

So you are giving teams a free pass to be not loyal to their employees? But players should be loyal to their employer at all times? Sorry, man world doesn't work like this. Not in the last 10 million years, probably not going to change in the next 10 minutes.

And what you say excuse, I call an explanation. And as I previously said one that I don't necessarily agree upon.

So that's racial/nationalistic profiling that you exert upon me when expecting I'm going to be a homer of a German player no matter what.
Also would you say headstrong egoistic behaviors is an anomaly with athletes in the National Basketball Association? Or their executives even?

I mock drafted Rudy at 14 here. After his first year I thought: Dam son, I thought he'd be better with a relatively healthy rookie season(There was that toenail situation at the start of that season)
After that my expectations were lowered to a point where I thought Rudy's ceiling was to be a rim protection specialist on backup units.
Then he destroys Spain in the World Cup and last season happened.
I also think as a player on the court Dennis is pretty good. Because he's got elite attributes in the areas of spatial awareness and speed. And those specific ones aren't easy to stop w/o opening up other opportunities. I also think he has a legit chance to have a better career than Rondo based on longevity and retrospect criticism of Rondo, that he was only good with all the hall of famers around him and ppl not being enough aware of "advanced statistics" back then.

I've heard rumours what happened after that specific game with the coach being upset at Dennis for not hitting free throws (When Dennis was clearly the main reason Germany was in a position to win)
A coach should know what personalities their players have. And not saying the coach can't have one himself. But he's gotta live with the results of his decisions. If he decides to go after a player that has 29 points, 6/7 free throws and 10 points in the 4th quarter and that guy has an attitude, then he should know there's gonna be microphones in front of that guy minutes later. Maybe it was even calculated to get that public discussion and to let Dennis experience the public reaction on that controversy. Who knows? I'm not gonna judge a 22 year old for that.

BOth Burke and Burks show their attitude on the court from my perspective. OH and then there was this Kanter guy. Remember him?
He btw did everyhing right and his agent got him a monster contract(Tristan's gotta be jealous that Rich Paul couldn't get him a similar result)

He would not be one of his kind if he has attitude problems or a little more head strong than desired, but just because basketball has become a pro business, it doesn't mean that players have the right to bash their coaches and teams as employers. There is a big difference between a basketball team and a business firm. A ball team's most necessary possession is the team chemistry. It's the most important asset for success and it is the game's nature. It is business firms that try to grow "team work" by copying the team spirit of sportsmanship. Why would it evolve the other way around?

 

[addictionary]

Did you read his post?
He said maybe dennis already tried simply speaking to his coaching staff and agents but got no results...... And then at that point went through the media

And it worked. Here we are talking about trading for him as fans. Butterfly effect. We have Jody here. He will take care of it. Hell even Gary can stop by and see this.

 

[BTP]

He would not be one of his kind if he has attitude problems or a little more head strong than desired, but just because basketball has become a pro business, it doesn't mean that players have the right to bash their coaches and teams as employers. There is a big difference between a basketball team and a business firm. A ball team's most necessary possession is the team chemistry. It's the most important asset for success and it is the game's nature. It is business firms that try to grow "team work" by copying the team spirit of sportsmanship. Why would it evolve the other way around?

That's one perspective is: Another is that the player is getting paid to show up at time. Everything else is free flowing negotiation.
If the player feels unhappy(no matter if it's immature or completely legit), his right is to do what he seems fit to improve HIS situation without violating the standardized player contract negotiated by the NBPA and the NBA. He isn't getting paid to contribute to team chemistry. If the team is feeling that's the sole purpose of a player being on a team at a given time and the player isn't doing that, they can cut him(aka ask him not to come, while still honoring the contract)
Stephen Jackson on the Spurs is a good example for that.

In the end that action can backfire, as other teams may get more reluctant to trade for him, make offers in the future. Or it will just mean attention and teams will do a more thorough background check and coordinate better with the coach they have at the time they try to sign him.
I think that situation is more complex than the simplifications some posters try to derive from it. And from my perspective, I'm just curious how it will play out.
After all I prognosticated the exact same thing that's happening right now. Dennis's personality is one where he's very confident in his abilities, and as soon as he feels he deserves opportunities, he'll push for them.
It happened in his rookie season and the Hawks tried some disciplinary actions for him to find his place on the roster(The DNPs and D-League tours were supposed to humble him, as he was challenging the vets from the beginning)

 

[addictionary]

That's one perspective is: Another is that the player is getting paid to show up at time. Everything else is free flowing negotiation.
If the player feels unhappy(no matter if it's immature or completely legit), his right is to do what he seems fit to improve HIS situation without violating the standardized player contract negotiated by the NBPA and the NBA. He isn't getting paid to contribute to team chemistry. If the team is feeling that's the sole purpose of a player being on a team at a given time and the player isn't doing that, they can cut him(aka ask him not to come, while still honoring the contract)
Stephen Jackson on the Spurs is a good example for that.

In the end that action can backfire, as other teams may get more reluctant to trade for him, make offers in the future. Or it will just mean attention and teams will do a more thorough background check and coordinate better with the coach they have at the time they try to sign him.
I think that situation is more complex than the simplifications some posters try to derive from it. And from my perspective, I'm just curious how it will play out.
After all I prognosticated the exact same thing that's happening right now. Dennis's personality is one where he's very confident in his abilities, and as soon as he feels he deserves opportunities, he'll push for them.
It happened in his rookie season and the Hawks tried some disciplinary actions for him to find his place on the roster(The DNPs and D-League tours were supposed to humble him, as he was challenging the vets from the beginning)

I personally love rookie competitiveness against team vets. Iverson was one of my idols growing up. So I don't have a problem with players like Schroder acting that way. But if the player disrespects his coach and teammates, this hurts team chemistry and if players are not getting paid for it, then basketball as I know is dead. Which is not. Quite the opposite actually. Even heroball lover franchises are after building the next Spurs now. A team with a lot of chemistry and understanding of each other and a team of which its members put team success above their own to reach the real deal.

 

[fishonjazz]

Ty Corbin would really hate to coach dennis lol

 

[addictionary]

So if Dennis will come here and hurt the vibe then he is not needed. He is a UFA so he has every right to go to media and sell his ace though.

 

[BTP]

I personally love rookie competitiveness against team vets. Iverson was one of my idols growing up. So I don't have a problem with players like Schroder acting that way. But if the player disrespects his coach and teammates, this hurts team chemistry and if players are not getting paid for it, then basketball as I know is dead. Which is not. Quite the opposite actually. Even heroball lover franchises are after building the next Spurs now. A team with a lot of chemistry and understanding of each other and a team of which its members put team success above their own to reach the real deal.

I'm not saying that chemistry isn't important. I'm just saying, it's not mandatory for players to comply with that. It obviously can very well lead to backlashes, if GMs burn mark him over it. Think of the case of Stephon Marbury.
I also don't think that Dennis isn't interested in being friends with guys in the locker room or actively trying to antagonize others. It's just that he wants to probe his leverage and get the opportunities on the court he feels he deserves. Making a fuzz in the media is from my POV smarter than highjacking possessions in games. If these looks you try to create aren't tailor made to feature your strengths and hide your weaknesses, they probably won't be as efficient. And the way I read his stuff is that he wants plays that are designed for him.

 

[addictionary]

I'm not saying that chemistry isn't important. I'm just saying, it's not mandatory for players to comply with that. It obviously can very well lead to backlashes, if GMs burn mark him over it. Think of the case of Stephon Marbury.
I also don't think that Dennis isn't interested in being friends with guys in the locker room or actively trying to antagonize others. It's just that he wants to probe his leverage and get the opportunities on the court he feels he deserves. Making a fuzz in the media is from my POV smarter than highjacking possessions in games. If these looks you try to create aren't tailor made to feature your strengths and hide your weaknesses, they probably won't be as efficient. And the way I read his stuff is that he wants plays that are designed for him.

I think he is suffering from getting imprisoned in Teague's shadow for long enough so he speaks outburst enough to force his way out. Sometimes you are stuck in a situation you cannot get out of by only playing and you have to take action. He is doing it. It will be like Kanter. Leave the team helpless to either let you go or convince you.

 

[BTP]

I think he is suffering from getting imprisoned in Teague's shadow for long enough so he speaks outburst enough to force his way out. Sometimes you are stuck in a situation you cannot get out of by only playing and you have to take action. He is doing it. It will be like Kanter. Leave the team helpless to either let you go or convince you.

Skillwise both could play alongside each other. Problem is while their skillset is somewhat different, they have both the same skinny body type. The team defense with a lot of other borderline undersized pieces could probably not compensate for the fact that Schröder would give up so much height and weight defensively against taller and/or heavier guards like Butler, Wade, Klay, Harden, Beal, Reddick, Green (I probably forgot some other taller guards on good teams)
These guys would simply shoot over him, go back to the basket or power through them on drives(some can even do all of the listed moves to abuse mismatches)
And that's where the tricky part begins because both are in their own way talented enough to be starters.