Deron Williams-From Hero to Zero

[aussietin]

I dislike Kanter a lot more than D-Will.

Kanter admitted to not playing hard, and obviously put his own welfare above the team's to make himself look good (he had what, 1 assist in his last 500 minutes with the Jazz or something?). Moreover, he talked crap about Utah after leaving.

D-Will still cares about Utah since he still has a house here. He's said good stuff about the Jazz after leaving. I don't think he ever stopped trying to win. It's unfortunate that he couldn't maturely handle a difference in philosophy between himself and Sloan. I don't think Miller, KOC, Sloan, or D-Will were blame-free in that situation.

I won't say D-Will didn't do anything wrong, but I think it was a product of frustration, whereas with Kanter it was selfishness and spite. And hey, we got something useful from Deron's trade, whereas for Kanter we didn't get jack.

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

I'm still bitter and twisted about Dick Bavetta and MJ .. my wife still likes to remind me for fun from time to time

I can't even believe you remembered and brought up Bavetta. Stern's #1 henchman, that guy was absolutely the dirtiest official that ever wore stripes in the NBA IMO. What he pulled off in the 97 (my bad, 98) NBA finals, particularly game six (the flu game), was probably the worst game fixing ever perpetrated in a championship series.

And back on topic. I gotta say that I appreciate you guys and your opinions and appreciate the fact that everybody's not lockstep zombies around here. However you want to look at it though, our glory years were behind us and DWill's histrionics only hastened the end to a bad chapter in Utah Jazz Basketball. I think that Sloan was frustrated with what he had to work with and was probably looking for a way out anyway. In my mind, not fulfilling his contract and walking out like he did midseason was as much of an affront to the organization as Williams' histrionics anyway. Who does that? I can't think of another NBA coach that has walked out on a team under contract like that. (I mean J. Kidd did that to the Nets, but that was another story...actually more despicable.)

Anyway, Williams career as an elite point guard was short-lived and some might argue that he was already slipping when we pulled off the New Jersey heist. I do believe that he's always struggled with his weight which may have contributed to the injury nightmare he became in New Jersey/Brooklyn. And we got Derrick Favors, Devin Harris, Enis Kanter (should have been Kawhi Leonard, Klay Thompson or Tristan Thompson) and 1/2 of Trey Burke (should have been Gorgui Dieng or Mason Plumlee). Actually, Williams is apparently much more hated in Brooklyn than he ever was here: https://www.netsdaily.com/2016/2/23...he-deron-williams-trade-still-haunts-the-nets.

In a way I feel a bit sorry for Deron much the way I feel sorry for a guy like Greg Oden (injury prone) or even somebody like Jimmer Fredette (way undersized shooting guard) or Adam Morrison (diabetic). Only in a sports sense as all of these guys have reached greater heights than I have or will but then came plummeting down faster than they went up. DWill though vilified here and in Brooklyn, still has a career and made an atrocious amount of loot. I guess the sad part is that he was never able to deliver on the promise that many of us thought he possessed.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

I can't even believe you remembered and brought up Bavetta. Stern's #1 henchman, that guy was absolutely the dirtiest official that ever wore stripes in the NBA IMO. What he pulled off in the 97 NBA finals, particularly game six (the flu game), was probably the worst game fixing ever perpetrated in a championship series.

And back on topic. I gotta say that I appreciate you guys and your opinions and appreciate the fact that everybody's not lockstep zombies around here. However you want to look at it though, our glory years were behind us and DWill's histrionics only hastened the end to a bad chapter in Utah Jazz Basketball. I think that Sloan was frustrated with what he had to work with and was probably looking for a way out anyway. In my mind, not fulfilling his contract and walking out like he did midseason was as much of an affront to the organization as Williams' histrionics anyway. Who does that? I can't think of another NBA coach that has walked out on a team under contract like that. (I mean J. Kidd did that to the Nets, but that was another story...actually more despicable.)

Anyway, Williams career as an elite point guard was short-lived and some might argue that he was already slipping when we pulled off the New Jersey heist. I do believe that he's always struggled with his weight which may have contributed to the injury nightmare he became in New Jersey/Brooklyn. And we got Derrick Favors, Devin Harris, Enis Kanter (should have been Kawhi Leonard, Klay Thompson or Tristan Thompson) and 1/2 of Trey Burke (should have been Gorgui Dieng or Mason Plumlee). Actually, Williams is apparently much more hated in Brooklyn than he ever was here: https://www.netsdaily.com/2016/2/23...he-deron-williams-trade-still-haunts-the-nets.

In a way I feel a bit sorry for Deron much the way I feel sorry for a guy like Greg Oden (injury prone) or even somebody like Jimmer Fredette (way undersized shooting guard) or Adam Morrison (diabetic). Only in a sports sense as all of these guys have reached greater heights than I have or will but then came plummeting down faster than they went up. DWill though vilified here and in Brooklyn, still has a career and made an atrocious amount of loot. I guess the sad part is that he was never able to deliver on the promise that many of us thought he possessed.

The worst one Bavetta called was when he waived off Howard Eisley's (?) 3 pointer in the last finals game i think .. called that he released it after the shot clock went off. It wasn't even close, the ball was practically halfway to the basket when the shot clock expired. That was even worse than the push off

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

The worst one Bavetta called was when he waived off Howard Eisley's (?) 3 pointer in the last finals game i think .. called that he released it after the shot clock went off. It wasn't even close, the ball was practically halfway to the basket when the shot clock expired. That was even worse than the push off

Yep same game 98 actually (the famous Jordan flu game), but you forgot the allowed basket by Ron Harper that came after the shot clock expired.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

Three negs Cappy? You sure are a thin-skinned little smurf. Is Deron your concubine or something?

Those were dislikes for crappy posts. Since you seem confused, I just negged you so you know the difference.

Oh, and thin-skinned suggests I couldn't handle some personal criticism. It has nothing to do with thinking your opinion sucks ***.

BTW, your thread is trash. Hive a nice day!

 

[Darkwing Duck]

In my mind, not fulfilling his contract and walking out like he did midseason was as much of an affront to the organization as Williams' histrionics anyway. Who does that? I can't think of another NBA coach that has walked out on a team under contract like that. (I mean J. Kidd did that to the Nets, but that was another story...actually more despicable.)

Frank Layden.

 

[str8line]

Those were dislikes for crappy posts. Since you seem confused, I just negged you so you know the difference.

Oh, and thin-skinned suggests I couldn't handle some personal criticism. It has nothing to do with thinking your opinion sucks ***.

BTW, your thread is trash. Hive a nice day!

No worries, I'm not nearly alone in my opinion. You can dislike as many posts as you want, and in this instance three dislikes in a row suggest that you have a problem with my take but are too lazy to give yours. It's a lazy way to handle a conversation but hey, you have that right, so click away.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

No worries, I'm not nearly alone in my opinion.

Yes, the world is full of idiots. Hence, the dislike button.

And this conversation has been beaten to death. Nice work stirring it up once again, though. The petty need a place to remind everyone how much they enjoy holding a grudge over something that was blown way out of proportion in the first place.

Jerry quit on the team, not Deron. CP3, Howard and Melo all demanded trades in similar situations while Deron remained loyal, yet Jerry gets a pass for quitting and all the blame goes on Deron.

 

[str8line]

Yes, the world is full of idiots. Hence, the dislike button.

And this conversation has been beaten to death. Nice work stirring it up once again, though. The petty need a place to remind everyone how much they enjoy holding a grudge over something that was blown way out of proportion in the first place.

Jerry quit on the team, not Deron. CP3, Howard and Melo all demanded trades in similar situations while Deron remained loyal, yet Jerry gets a pass for quitting and all the blame goes on Deron.

So you're the arbiter of what deserves discussion. Got it. And even though you claim the conversation has been "beaten to death" you can't resist chiming in with your opinion. At least you spared us your 3rd person reference this time.

 

[gomretat]

it's a little hard to fathom people holding a grudge given that it's 5 years on, that DWill still lives in Utah, and that he's obviously older & matured and has been nothing but gracious and complimentary to both the Jazz and Jerry Sloan in the last year or two. It's kindof embarrassing that petty minded small man syndrome fans are still booing him. Ffs just move and be happy and stop the ridiculous booing

It is petty, bush league, and classless. Let it go folks. Even if he hadn't made multiple comments since leaving that have been positive about the Jazz and the state of Utah, which he has, it is far past the time of letting it go.

 

[416Klawzz]

Oh please, save your sanctimonious ******** for ******* who care. Make your own thread about it. Bashing Deron will always be necessary for what he did to our team and coach Sloan. I never bash Kanter but I will bash Deron. Just because it has been five years and he said that we are a good team doesn't change his actions while he was here. I doubt Jerry would laugh anything off.

You never bash Kanter ? Are you ok dude?

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

Frank Layden.

Really? It's starting to sound more like an organizational issue to me then, when you look at its occurrence at large.