Do you still want to see Big Al shipped?

[JGolds]

thanks for agreeing have said this all along. i feel bad that millsap looks like the odd man out but honestly he looks like the one leaving. we need three good bigs. al fav and kan are all basiclly interchangeable. and we have to pick either sap or al or we could loose both, and then we will be left looking for a FA to sign to be our other big, and i can honestly say, i liekt he way al looks more then the other bigs in FA.

this post left a bad tast in my mouth, seeing myself choose jefferson logical or not made me sick..

 

[JAZZGASM]

Big Al vexes me. One game he'll hog the ball, slow the offense, sit around on d, etc. The next game he'll be passing to cutters, blocking shots, and being agressive. I've seen progress since he's been with the Jazz, I can see that he has all the tools to be an amazing PF. I've seen him play amazing. But if he doesn't have the desire to do it night in and night out, ship him out. We have two guys in the wings that are hungry.

 

[Purch]

Big Al vexes me. One game he'll hog the ball, slow the offense, sit around on d, etc. The next game he'll be passing to cutters, blocking shots, and being agressive. I've seen progress since he's been with the Jazz, I can see that he has all the tools to be an amazing PF. I've seen him play amazing. But if he doesn't have the desire to do it night in and night out, ship him out. We have two guys in the wings that are hungry.

Imo I think in the recent weeks you're really starting to see the extent of how far AL has progressed as a player since being here. He's a much more willing and improved passer than he was when he got here, he's been much more agressive instead of settling for jumpers (since the new year began), and he actually comes out to defend the pick and roll. When he's agressive you're really starting to see the extent of his footwork

He's not perfect, but he's a much better player than he was when we got him from Minny.

He was only around 24 when we got him if I remember correctly, he's only a month older than Sap.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I love this idea that now, what is it, 8 years into the league that there are STILL people that think Al can sustain the flashes of improvement he's shown or - even better - that he's still a work in progress.

 

[One Brow]

I love this idea that now, what is it, 8 years into the league that there are STILL people that think Al can sustain the flashes of improvement he's shown or - even better - that he's still a work in progress.

I don't think anyone is saying Jefferson is radically transforming his game. However, there's also no indication that he's refusing to improve. I'm learning new skills, methods, and tools at the age of 50, I think Jefferson can do that at 26.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I don't think anyone is saying Jefferson is radically transforming his game. However, there's also no indication that he's refusing to improve. I'm learning new skills, methods, and tools at the age of 50, I think Jefferson can do that at 26.

And I'm doing it at 28. I'm not fundamentally changing who I am, though, and I'm not doing it in an environment of competition, let alone one that is the highest level of it's kind on earth.

 

[Brown Notes]

2010-shows mid range J
2011-learns to share ball
2012-showing ability to play team D, opening up to Hi-Lo entry pass.

Al's improvement is not a myth.

 

[Jazz4ever]

Imo I think in the recent weeks you're really starting to see the extent of how far AL has progressed as a player since being here. He's a much more willing and improved passer than he was when he got here, he's been much more agressive instead of settling for jumpers (since the new year began), and he actually comes out to defend the pick and roll. When he's agressive you're really starting to see the extent of his footwork

He's not perfect, but he's a much better player than he was when we got him from Minny.

He was only around 24 when we got him if I remember correctly, he's only a month older than Sap.

Nah the prime Minny Al was better. That Al played a more physical post up game and would dunk on you. That Al got to the line 5 times a night, which is much closer to how often a first option should be getting. Part of it is was a little zapped athleticism from the ACL, part if it was trying to turn him into Boozer by running the same pick and roll sets (a failed experiment). The only thing I can say for sure that this Al is better at is passing.

 

[theNBAnerd]

he's made nominal progress, but that's about it. there are still a huge number of possessions where the balls never touches anybody's hands except al and the initiator on the strong side wing for most/all of the shot clock. and here's the thing... even if he scores on that play, it's just not good basketball. he's an elite post scorer, but the effect he has on team execution is negative. he uses 22.5 possessions per 40 minutes -- or about 28.6% of the team's possessions -- plus all the ones where he doesn't officially use the play but he dictates what happens because he stops the ball so long that by the time he finally gets rid of it there isn't time to go through the set and run the options so someone winds up shooting a late inefficient shot.

now consider that he gets 1.04 points per shot, or .974 points per possession... both below the team average. why would you let a player that inefficient dictate somewhere around a third of your team's offense?

final thought: if, as a previous poster stated, al/fav/kan are "interchangeable" then isn't keeping all 3 a bad idea? don't you need some versatility? if you have three guys who are a little too undistinguishable, aren't you a ridiculously easy team to prep for and shut down? not to mention that miami just showed the league how to shut down al: front him, ball-deny and, if it comes right down to it, just put a smaller hyperactive defender on him to frustrate him because he doesn't play physical enough to use his size advantage to overpower anybody.

 

[theNBAnerd]

Nah the prime Minny Al was better. That Al played a more physical post up game and would dunk on you. That Al got to the line 5 times a night, which is much closer to how often a first option should be getting. Part of it is was a little zapped athleticism from the ACL, part if it was trying to turn him into Boozer by running the same pick and roll sets (a failed experiment). The only thing I can say for sure that this Al is better at is passing.

huh? when did they put him in a bunch of PnRs? i think they could tell right away he wasn't a great P&R decision-maker so they took him out of that. synergy agrees with me; it has al only acting as the roll man on 8.9% of his overall "used" possessions - less than two plays per game, and usually it's the last resort late in the shot clock.

 

[NUMBERICA]

he's made nominal progress, but that's about it. there are still a huge number of possessions where the balls never touches anybody's hands except al and the initiator on the strong side wing for most/all of the shot clock. and here's the thing... even if he scores on that play, it's just not good basketball. he's an elite post scorer, but the effect he has on team execution is negative. he uses 22.5 possessions per 40 minutes -- or about 28.6% of the team's possessions -- plus all the ones where he doesn't officially use the play but he dictates what happens because he stops the ball so long that by the time he finally gets rid of it there isn't time to go through the set and run the options so someone winds up shooting a late inefficient shot.

now consider that he gets 1.04 points per shot, or .974 points per possession... both below the team average. why would you let a player that inefficient dictate somewhere around a third of your team's offense?

final thought: if, as a previous poster stated, al/fav/kan are "interchangeable" then isn't keeping all 3 a bad idea? don't you need some versatility? if you have three guys who are a little too undistinguishable, aren't you a ridiculously easy team to prep for and shut down? not to mention that miami just showed the league how to shut down al: front him, ball-deny and, if it comes right down to it, just put a smaller hyperactive defender on him to frustrate him because he doesn't play physical enough to use his size advantage to overpower anybody.

Shwing.

 

[Ben10]

huh? when did they put him in a bunch of PnRs? i think they could tell right away he wasn't a great P&R decision-maker so they took him out of that. synergy agrees with me; it has al only acting as the roll man on 8.9% of his overall "used" possessions - less than two plays per game, and usually it's the last resort late in the shot clock.

I think he was talking about when Al first got here and Deron would try to run P&R with him. The Jazz did it a lot at the first of that year and Al always wanted to pull up and do the little push shot off the roll instead of attacking the basket. He sucked at it because it wasn't what he was used to so they went away from it after the first 20 or so games. But I remember them doing it a lot and cringing every time it happened because I was so used to Boozer being able to finish on the same play