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Does Biyombo=Evans?

Not sure how to statistically validate this discussion one way or another, but I couldn't disagree more. 3s that handle the ball tend to be star players, specically because it's unusual. For every Maggette, there are 4 Shane Battier, Bruce Bowen, Omri Casspi, Matt Harpring guys.

Repped and I couldnt agree more. P.s. I never thought Id rep you :)
 
You raise some merited points about position and rebounding, but he can't box out anyone and he gets boards through sheer length, athleticism, hustle, and instincts. He rebounds like he's offensive rebounding regardless of what the reality is because he can't hold his ground or overpower anyone.

Well, he did what any skinny rookie with his athleticism would do--he compensated for his physical deficiencies with his athleticism. I can't say where he'll wind up. But if the kid could add 15 pounds to go with much improved lower body strength and technique, he could be a hell of a garbage player in the paint on the second unit.

I hope he takes a millions shots this summer and learns to dribble. But I'd rather the bulk of his time was spent with a physical trainer just pounding him to gain strength. A much stronger Evans could be a very interesting player no matter how much weight he's giving away.
 
If Evans puts on 15 pounds he might be strong enough to be a 3. That's how extreme his situation is. I'd bet money he has the thinnest calves in the entire (perhaps with exception to Alexis Ajinca).
 
If Evans puts on 15 pounds he might be strong enough to be a 3. That's how extreme his situation is. I'd bet money he has the thinnest calves in the entire (perhaps with exception to Alexis Ajinca).

If Evans played regular 3, he'd get ignored on the perimeter. Just this year, Evans would get the ball on the high post and not know what to do with the ball. The point is his transition to 3 is a pretty big leap at this point. He might get there. But he can definitely be effective as a 4 in the right spots next year. From a practical standpoint, if I'm Ty, I'm telling Jeremy to eat his wheaties and spend 4 hours a day doing squats.

Crazy as it sounds, he should emulate Elson. Elson is solid as an active garbage player, he defends through tenacity, and on offense he's got that 12 foot jumper that serves him well.
 
If Evans played regular 3, he'd get ignored on the perimeter. Just this year, Evans would get the ball on the high post and not know what to do with the ball. The point is his transition to 3 is a pretty big leap at this point. He might get there. But he can definitely be effective as a 4 in the right spots next year. From a practical standpoint, if I'm Ty, I'm telling Jeremy to eat his wheaties and spend 4 hours a day doing squats.

Crazy as it sounds, he should emulate Elson. Elson is solid as an active garbage player, he defends through tenacity, and on offense he's got that 12 foot jumper that serves him well.

If Trevor Ariza and Paul Millsap can become effective jumpshooters, I see no reason why Evans can't. Probably not by next season, but he'll never be a real 4 either. If we're to be excited about Evans as a real piece in the contender puzzle, it's as a giant 3 who will have to hope he has to guard power 3s as little as possible.

However, if he's not to become a viable rotation player, who ****ing cares? I don't know about anyone else, but I don't have much interest in 'developing' a garbage player.
 
If Trevor Ariza and Paul Millsap can become effective jumpshooters, I see no reason why Evans can't. Probably not by next season, but he'll never be a real 4 either. If we're to be excited about Evans as a real piece in the contender puzzle, it's as a giant 3 who will have to hope he has to guard power 3s as little as possible.

However, if he's not to become a viable rotation player, who ****ing cares? I don't know about anyone else, but I don't have much interest in 'developing' a garbage player.

Trevor Ariza is not an effective jumpshooter, he shoots sub 40%, he is terrible.
 
Trevor Ariza is not an effective jumpshooter, he shoots sub 40%, he is terrible.

If he can be instrumental in winning a championship by hitting 3s (he absolutely did), and people guard him at the perimeter, then that's a success story. He came into the league and didn't have a skill to his name and played himself into a $30 million deal and it's not just because he has long arms.
 
If he can be instrumental in winning a championship by hitting 3s (he absolutely did), and people guard him at the perimeter, then that's a success story. He came into the league and didn't have a skill to his name and played himself into a $30 million deal and it's not just because he has long arms.

The 08-09 Playoffs he had an AMAZING 3pt shooting performance (even more so when you consider he has never shot much over 30% in his life) hitting almost half his attempts. Then he got his contact. Since (and before) then, he has never come close to being half as good. He was effectively a one hit wonder. That, or you can contribute his success to playing on a stacked team where no one payed him any defensive attention. He cant even shoot over 40% from the field, or over 30% from 3 and Chris Paul is your PG? Pathetic, but I guess we are getting off-topic. Also, from watching Ariza, he has just flat out terrible shot selection. Evans is a much smarter player, or at least knows his limitations better than Ariza does.
 
The 08-09 Playoffs he had an AMAZING 3pt shooting performance (even more so when you consider he has never shot much over 30% in his life) hitting almost half his attempts. Then he got his contact. Since (and before) then, he has never come close to being half as good. He was effectively a one hit wonder. That, or you can contribute his success to playing on a stacked team where no one payed him any defensive attention. He cant even shoot over 40% from the field, or over 30% from 3 and Chris Paul is your PG? Pathetic, but I guess we are getting off-topic. Also, from watching Ariza, he has just flat out terrible shot selection. Evans is a much smarter player, or at least knows his limitations better than Ariza does.

We agree. My point is that Ariza has improved his shot immensely since he didn't have one at all. Breaking him out of his role on the Lakers and trying to turn him into a ballhandler/volume scorer broke him, IMO. But another point I haven't brought up is that Evans form and mechanics are actually a thing of beauty and I firmly believe it's just a matter of game-reps/confidence before he's hitting shots at a good rate.
 
Evans needs to develop a consistent 12-18 ft jumpshot from anywhere on the floor. If we end up going with a two-guard front, then penetration-and-kickouts will leave him with open looks if he doesn't hesitate. We need to get him looks when he is just standing there, waiting to catch and shoot. Next, he needs to consume the game film on Ronnie Brewer and watch how he worked the baseline. Corner Js, baseline jams, and alley oops could get him an efficient 8-10ppg.

His real meal ticket would come if he could learn to effectively guard the 3. For example, if he could give you a good 8mpg guarding Durant, then he'd have interest from any team in the west for several years to come. I think he was playing pretty solid team defense toward the end of the season.... we'll see....
 
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