The Thriller
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Sweet point then Bean!
You really deserve a cookie!
In that case, Favors and Evans are comparable then!!! Both are projects who have a lot of upside and unrefined games.
Does Biyombo=Evans?
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Sweet point then Bean!
You really deserve a cookie!
In that case, Favors and Evans are comparable then!!! Both are projects who have a lot of upside and unrefined games.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
Not everyone will be a starter and you always need some bullets in the chamber in case of injuries, trades or free agency. There's 96 mins/per between the 4/5. That's enough P/T for 3 "full-time" players. Millsap can also supplement with some mins at SF. Evans is no more than a backup, so remove him from that list. If the Jazz drafted Biyombo, it's probable, as a rookie, he'd only play 10-15 mins. Most likely he'd get in foul trouble; that's always the fate of rookies who try to play defense. AT C/PF, you have Jefferson (35), Favors (26); Millsap (20); Biyombo (15). Millsap then plays 10-15 at the 3. Injuries/foul trouble adjust mins up/down for each. If Favors is ready to play 30+, then just have Millsap play more at SF, or reduce Jefferson down some - or Biyombo gets 10/per. Or, best case, you look to trade a guy (Jefferson?) for a legit starting SF or a better PG.
The Thriller
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You're right.
We should just draft Jimmer instead. Since he isn't considered a project.
Or perhaps we should just sign Adam Morrison. As I remember in college, he had some pretty nice skills.
I say take a swing at Biyombo. Good bigs are hard to come by. While reading his scouting reports, he sounds like a very athletic, strong, competitive, intelligent kid with leadership skills. Kids like that will develop fast. And we can never have too many of those on our team.
I think the jury is still out on Favors and Evans being very assertive, especially in the locker room. Hell, we're still waiting for Millsap or Jefferson to become leaders. Much talk has been made of Hayward becoming our leader. Pretty interesting when he's so young and only just finished his rookie year.
Perhaps a better comparison would be Hayward to Biyombo. Both are described in their scouting reports (which is what you brought up Bean) to be intelligent, athletic, highly competitive, with intangibles.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
Why? Evans is a SF. He'll never be a power player, nor will he ever play the 5. Biyombo is a 4-5. There are 12-15 roster spots. Generally teams have 8-9 as rotation players. The rest are projects, fill-ins, washed-up vets or injury-insurance.
I guess if we have too many "projects" then the answer is to also trade Favors and Hayward for players like Bell and Fisher.
The Jazz weakness under Sloan is that they haven't had enough "projects." Either Sloan or KOC (depending on who has the ultimate authority on roster decisions) has looked for old veterans to backfill the roster instead of guys that still have some upside. Every year I watch exciting "no-names" emerge with other teams while teh Jazz roll out players like Elson, Bell, Knight, Hart, etc. Yes, there is the occasional Millsap or Matthews. More often, though, is the re-signing of a Collins or bringing back an Ostertag or Eisley.
I'm not saying the Jazz should have 15 "projects." A team needs veterans. But make sure those veterans are key contributors. Otherwise, go with projects for the last 5-6 roster spots. And if a couple emerge, then that gives you flexibility to trade them or the starter(s) in front of them to upgrade other spots.
You take BPA (and that "P" might mean player or prospect). If you worry about who else is in front then you end up passing on Stockton because you already have a Ricky Green.
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Evans does not have huge upside at all. He has the upside of being a 20 mpg bench player.
The Thriller
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I actually agree w/this a lot.
If Evans ends up being Hakeem Warrick, consider that a great career.
I've read here someone compare Evans to Shawn Marion.... Which is completely incorrect....
I'm telling you all right now, Evans will NEVER be a legit 4. Kid has a terrible frame and no strength and I don't think his problem is for lack of trying. He has probably never weighed more than 200 pounds and at that size that's simply something you don't just overcome and become Arnold. If Evans is to become a legit rotation player an contributor on a contender, it will be as a perimeter-stopper multi-positional defender with little skill on offense besides skying over defenders for easy buckets and hitting wide open-shots. He will never hold his own as a full-time 4.
Gyp Rosetti
Banned
This. I'd literally bet my life Evans will never be a 4 of note.
The Thriller
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I'd like to see him become quicker and a better shooter.
However, I think a career similar to Hakim Warrick is more probable than becoming.... Ohhh I dunno... Donyell Marshal, Deng, or Gay.
I dont think Evans will ever become a 3. I cant recall one time during the season that I ever saw him handle the ball, even straight line dribble drives.
He does not have Warrick's frame or strength. What's wrong with him becoming Ariza-esque? There are more levels of quality than scrub or star.
billyshelby
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I actually think Evans is more of a 4. He doesn't have a handle or a jumpshot, and taking him away from the paint takes away the one thing he does well which is use his athleticism to get boards and put backs. I don't think he's ever going to be a starter in the league, but he's a little similar to Camby the way he plays. The weight issue will always be there, but he can get stronger, and there's a lot of 4's in the league he can check in the right matchups.
What? 3s have to handle the ball? Somebody better call most of the 3s in the NBA and let them know they aren't actually 3s.
Archie Moses
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People who say Evans doesn't have a js are talking out of ignorance or their ****.
You raise some merited points about position and rebounding, but he can't box out anyone and he gets boards through sheer length, athleticism, hustle, and instincts. He rebounds like he's offensive rebounding regardless of what the reality is because he can't hold his ground or overpower anyone.
Most 3's have some ball handling abilities. I'm not talking about having the ball on a string, but most of them can drive.
Jimmer_Fan
Banned
The Jazz should not draft Biyombo. He cannot shoot. The Jazz need shooting. There is one player in this draft that will solve the Jazz' shooting problem. That man is Jimmer.
Not sure how to statistically validate this discussion one way or another, but I couldn't disagree more. 3s that handle the ball tend to be star players, specically because it's unusual. For every Maggette, there are 4 Shane Battier, Bruce Bowen, Omri Casspi, Matt Harpring guys.