Does Lauri Get Traded?

[Saint Cy of JFC]

This makes me laugh. Team doesn't want to trade player... other team makes offer... miffed and peeved that they won't sell for what they believe is "logical". Bitch... we got what you want. Pay full market (and maybe a premium) or GTFO

And Lacob has to know he has made his own bed in terms of other teams wanting to make him look bad when he went out of his way to brag about how smart he was with "light-years ahead"

 

[HermanG]

I think there's some validity to that, but not sure how much. I think they will look better next to Lauri, but I don't know what it does for their overall development to be in an easier/more difficult situation. The point is to develop the players and part of that is putting them in more uncomfortable situations even if it makes them look worse in the interim. There are pros and cons, but truthfully I think true talent will develop in either situation.

The logic in the bolded is not a question of talent, but of personality. Most of us react to positive reinforcement better.

Repeated failures are proven to often harm self-esteem and lead to a strategy of least effort in many case studies regarding the subject.

In lamen terms, lose enough and you stop giving a ****.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I think this is the lowest I’d take:

26/28/30 firsts
27/29/31 swaps
Salary filler
Podz

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

And Lacob has to know he has made his own bed in terms of other teams wanting to make him look bad when he went out of his way to brag about how smart he was with "light-years ahead"

"I talked mad **** on everyone and now teams don't want to give me things I want... why are they so illogical".

 

[sip]

Based on the conversation I had with Elizah Huge and a few other posters last week they seemed to think that with Lauri we are around the 6-8 worst team in the league. I don't feel that way but lets say that is the case. If we move Lauri for a pick heavy package I think we have the worst record in the league since we are also playing in the west. That essentially guarantees us a top 5 pick. That improved asset also needs to be viewed as part of a Lauri trade. We obviously could still jump into that top 4 if we finish in the 6-8 range but being guaranteed to be in that top 5 is worth a lot for me. Probably worth more than any single asset coming back from another team in a Lauri trade.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I feel as though I've been the guy who is most on the "we're going to suck even with Lauri" and "the lotto odds are really flat, bottoming out doesn't have the same value". Having said that, eeeking out every last ounce of value from Lauri isn't my priority as a franchise. As I've said before, if we already have these other trades for Sexton/Kessler line up, that could change things....But right now I prioritize a clear direction over being more stubborn and trying to win the deal by as much as possible.

I can already hear someone saying "we don't have to trade Lauri". I don't think keeping Lauri is a bad position, I always speak about how having a star is a power position.....but I am not so in love that we must the most incredible package to make me budge. I understand Ainge is going to ask for everything, I'm not the one going to the negotiation table. There is a price that gets the deal done, and for me that is less than "everything". I don't think we need 150%+ or whatever of the Bridges value to make it worthwhile to budge. Having Lauri is a good situation. I like having Moody and all the Warriors picks more.

I've also ingested a lot of opinion from places outside of this forum. Maybe this forum is all knowing and completely objective/non-biased when it comes to Jazz trades, but I took a more holistic approach and gathering more outside opinions has formed my expectations and understanding of what a fair deal is.

Podz, Moody, and all the picks just doesn't seem like 150% of value to me. The picks having some work around language because of a pick they gave away is also like a small dent in the package. Its less about squeezing value on Lauri and more about this is the pivot point for the franchise for the next 3 years or so. If we sold Sexton or Kessler at 75% of value to tank I'd go that route rather than taking 90% on Lauri. He's the star... he's a hinge.

Right now the reporting is

Ainge: all first round picks, some seconds, Podz, JK, Moody

Warriors: All first round picks, some seconds, Moody

Me: The acceptable ground is all the firsts, Podz, Moody.

Is it a hard line... not if DA prefers to tear things down to the studs now and tank for multiple years. If he prefers strongly the keep Lauri and figure out the tank... then I would hold the line. This is a negotiation that makes sense to really dig in assuming Lauri is willing to sign the extension (which he absolutely should be).

 

[Elizah Huge]

Podz, Moody, and all the picks just doesn't seem like 150% of value to me. The picks having some work around language because of a pick they gave away is also like a small dent in the package. Its less about squeezing value on Lauri and more about this is the pivot point for the franchise for the next 3 years or so. If we sold Sexton or Kessler at 75% of value to tank I'd go that route rather than taking 90% on Lauri. He's the star... he's a hinge.

Right now the reporting is

Ainge: all first round picks, some seconds, Podz, JK, Moody

Warriors: All first round picks, some seconds, Moody

Me: The acceptable ground is all the firsts, Podz, Moody.

Is it a hard line... not if DA prefers to tear things down to the studs now and tank for multiple years. If he prefers strongly the keep Lauri and figure out the tank... then I would hold the line. This is a negotiation that makes sense to really dig in assuming Lauri is willing to sign the extension (which he absolutely should be).

You would draw a hard line at Moody and Podz or would you spare Moody to get Podz and all the picks?

 

[KqWIN]

Lacob being a dumb dumb is a reason why the GSW picks are so appealing. The Warriors are good because they have Curry. They even tried to trade Curry on Lacob's watch. I want the Warriors picks when they no longer have Curry. They could be Kangz level of stupid without their all time great.

 

[KqWIN]

Podz, Moody, and all the picks just doesn't seem like 150% of value to me. The picks having some work around language because of a pick they gave away is also like a small dent in the package. Its less about squeezing value on Lauri and more about this is the pivot point for the franchise for the next 3 years or so. If we sold Sexton or Kessler at 75% of value to tank I'd go that route rather than taking 90% on Lauri. He's the star... he's a hinge.

Right now the reporting is

Ainge: all first round picks, some seconds, Podz, JK, Moody

Warriors: All first round picks, some seconds, Moody

Me: The acceptable ground is all the firsts, Podz, Moody.

Is it a hard line... not if DA prefers to tear things down to the studs now and tank for multiple years. If he prefers strongly the keep Lauri and figure out the tank... then I would hold the line. This is a negotiation that makes sense to really dig in assuming Lauri is willing to sign the extension (which he absolutely should be).

I took the 150% value from you yourself, but if we want to get away from made up percentages I will just say that's it's significantly better than the Bridges package. You line up Podz+Moody+GSW all the picks compared to what the Nets got and the Warriors package clears it easily.

I'm not the one negotiating, so all I really care about is the hard line. My hard line is I would take Moody and all the picks. I don't care to larp as Ainge and ask for everything, the Warriors aren't looking at my posts to make their decision. Moody+all the picks is a preferred situation to R+E Lauri.

 

[framer]

Not following. I'm not a Brice hater at all. I think he has talent and I would want him if I was a team that was low on rookie contract talent.

Just think when you are a team that is having high end rookie talent coming in every year, you have to make cuts some places. That's basically what happened to Khris Middleton in Detroit and he broke out in Milwaukee. Teams find these players valuable as it's a very low risk acquisition.

And there probably isn't a minute you could give to Brice in the near term that wouldn't be better served by giving it to Cody or Hendricks. If we didn't have those guys to develop. If we further pair down there may be room to develop Brice.

 

[TheStormofWar]

I think for me, I'm all about the GSW picks, simply because there won't be much attraction to go to the Dubs when Curry finally retires or declines, plus taking advantage of the cap hell situation is an advantage all by itself.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

That’s not giving Lauri away at all. It’s probably actually better than the Gobert trade. Podz is really ****ing good and the Warriors might be a play-in team with the bottom falling out when those picks come due.

We don’t have to trade him, but everybody has to get a grip and on the one hand understand this is a walking 23/8 on 50/40/90 that’s 7 feet tall and in his prime, while on the other hand he’s an expiring contract that functionally can’t be extended after being traded and is problematic for the rebuild. Both can be true.

I’m trying to drive towards a realistic trade package that keeps the most important parts of the deal pre-extension. Parties may still walk and people can disagree whether it’s worth it for their side. But it’s certainly not nothing.

I’ve got a grip, but crappy picks and Podz? I’d rather tank with Lauri