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Does Lauri Get Traded?

Does Lauri Get Dealt Before The Season Starts?

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NUMBERICA said:
Emerging top-5, meaning he’ll be there in the next year or two (which doesn’t trend towards picks being good).
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Again he’s nowhere near that or emerging towards that.

Ant
Giannis
Luka
Jokic
Shai
Tatum
Embiid
Kawhi
Wemby
Curry
Booker

He will not be better than any of those guys. He also is not going to be better than a lot more of guys after these guys.
 
MT Steve said:
This is such an unbelievably flawed way of estimating how many wins a role player will contribute to a dramatically worse roster. Basketball isn't a "plug this guy in on any roster and he'll get you 'X' amount of more wins". Your teammates have a heavy impact on your own contributions, especially if you're a non-star. And Walker's going to be playing with mostly rookies and sophomores this season.
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Then maybe we should get rid of WS as a stat? That is kind of what it is designed to do... I didn't invent it.
MT Steve said:
If you don't think Kessler is a building block and you think you can extract better value by trading him now, then go ahead and do it.

What you shouldn't do is trade him for the sake of hoping to lose a few more games.

What are the combined odds of:

Kessler by himself improving our win total enough to move us from 4th-5th worst to 9th-10th worst
The Jazz not jumping up in the lottery
The Jazz not drafting a player in the 9-10 spot that is even in the same ballpark as the player they would have drafted in the 4th-5th spot

Probably pretty low.
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Its not pretty low lol. Its also VERY important. Like way more important than Walker.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Then maybe we should get rid of WS as a stat? That is kind of what it is designed to do... I didn't invent it.
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No it isn't. It's designed to show a player's contributions to that specific team's overall success.

Handlogten's Heros said:
Its not pretty low lol. Its also VERY important. Like way more important than Walker.
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Assign your own values:

50% (I'm being generous - it's probably a LOT lower): Kessler by himself improving our win total enough to move us from 4th-5th worst to 9th-10th worst
79.8%: The Jazz not jumping up in the lottery
80% (Being generous again, it's probably lower): The Jazz not drafting a player in the 9-10 spot that is even in the same ballpark as the player they would have drafted in the 4th-5th spot

50% x 79.8% x 80% = 31.9%

Yeah.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Hypothetically speaking, if Collier and Filipowski are somehow way more advanced than any of us foresaw and they made the Jazz 8 wins better just based on them being on the roster, do you trade them at the deadline because they are too good?
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Yeah I mean if you have two rookies who are both simultaneously performing like top 30 players you hold on to them. But in the real world they likely are in the G league for the first 30-40 games.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Yeah I mean if you have two rookies who are both simultaneously performing like top 30 players you hold on to them. But in the real world they likely are in the G league for the first 30-40 games.
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Wait, so why do we have to trade Walker, a 3rd year player, then? Is 3rd year the cut-off for being too good so you have to trade?
 
MT Steve said:
No it isn't. It's designed to show a player's contributions to that specific team's overall success.
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So then I guess using it to show a players contributions to a teams success (also known as helping them win) and trying to apply the actual number it used is flawed... gotcha. My bad.
MT Steve said:
Assign your own values:

50% (I'm being generous - it's probably a LOT lower): Kessler by himself improving our win total enough to move us from 4th-5th worst to 9th-10th worst
79.8%: The Jazz not jumping up in the lottery
80% (Being generous again, it's probably lower): The Jazz not drafting a player in the 9-10 spot that is even in the same ballpark as the player they would have drafted in the 4th-5th spot

50% x 79.8% x 80% = 31.9%

Yeah.
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32% chance you miss out on the most important thing that changes the trajectory of the franchise isn't significant... okay.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
So then I guess using it to show a players contributions to a teams success (also known as helping them win) and trying to apply the actual number it used is flawed... gotcha. My bad.

32% chance you miss out on the most important thing that changes the trajectory of the franchise isn't significant... okay.
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You also have to figure in the chance someone 6-10 is better than the guy you would have drafted in the top 5 (shocker, it's very rare the top 5 drafted are the top 5 players, actually think it has never happened in NBA history).
 
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