Does Lauri Get Traded?

[fishonjazz]

The OKC model. Trade a star (Paul George, Lauri) for picks and young talent. Young talent becomes an MVP caliber player. Picks become studs that fit well. Be contenders and a top team in the NBA for a while.

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[TheStormofWar]

The OKC model. Trade a star (Paul George, Lauri) for picks and young talent. Young talent becomes an MVP caliber player. Picks become studs that fit well. Be contenders and a top team in the NBA for a while.

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It's a bit more simple. Any veteran player or capspace that can get assets is a trading chip, draft well (I trust Ainge there), play your young players through their mistakes, and just shamelessly suck. If we're to follow this model, we must deal Lauri. Simple as.

 

[HermanG]

The homework isn’t finding the examples. The homework is this long drawn out convo where you or any anti tanker goes “yeah but”. It’s exhausting. Tanking works. It’s not foolproof… nothing is.

You always chip in with these which sort of suggests you want to discuss them. I didnt quote/tag you here first.

Im not in the same "right and wrong" mindset with this topic anymore than I was a few years ago. There is no foolproof plan either way.

But tanking is definitely not as good a plan as the half the guys on this board claim. Most of the teams that blow up to become bad stay bad for a long time before they land a guy who they think is "him"... and when they finally do they may never be able to build the team up to actually win a chip before that guy bolts.

Let me ask you this. Just give me a gut feeling answer: How many of the top 3 picks who became all NBA level guys won a chip for the franchise who drafted them? How many of them left and then won elsewhere? Which number is higher?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

It's bit more simple. Any veteran player or capspace that can get assets is a trading chip, draft well (I trust Ainge there), play your young players through their mistakes, and just shamelessly suck. If we're to follow this model, we must deal Lauri. Simple as.

I don't think we have to trade Lauri but we need to trade a couple more vets. The easiest way to tank is to move Lauri though and it obviously yields a "haul". I think unlike some years in the past there are less teams that will enter the tank race because they are all in on winning or don't own their own picks or are close enough to the play-in etc. I think it may cost Kessler or Sexton... maybe both? I think I'd try to retain Lauri unless there is a crazy offer out there.

 

[HermanG]

Tanking, Rebuilding, and just being bad are all a little synonymous for me. The key is drafting high. We need to draft really high… that is the most reliable way for us to get all star talent. We should still try to do the other things to get all star talent but our own picks are the ones that are likely the highest picks. Those are critical. Keep Lauri… make sure you get a high pick or maximize the chances of getting a high pick this year. That’s what I’d do. The half assed route is fine for a bit but nothing meaningful has shaken loose… time to get serious.

I agree but even more so, drafting high ceiling guys. Cody and Collier were perfect picks for us as they are sort of boom or bust guys. We dont need them all to boom, as long as one booms enough.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

I am excited that it looks like we'll be keeping him.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

You always chip in with these which sort of suggests you want to discuss them. I didnt quote/tag you here first.

Im not in the same "right and wrong" mindset with this topic anymore than I was a few years ago. There is no foolproof plan either way.

But tanking is definitely not as good a plan as the half the guys on this board claim. Most of the teams that blow up to become bad stay bad for a long time before they land a guy who they think is "him"... and when they finally do they may never be able to build the team up to actually win a chip before that guy bolts.

Let me ask you this. Just give me a gut feeling answer: How many of the top 3 picks who became all NBA level guys won a chip for the franchise who drafted them? How many of them left and then won elsewhere? Which number is higher?

These are the type of qualifiers that make the conversation exhausting. I chip in because when I see something incorrect I will mention it. I have had exhaustive conversations with people on this board about the subject. I know what they will do... like put restrictive qualifiers on how the conversation should be considered a success. Duncan, Robinson, Tatum, Lebron, Kyrie... but success can be more than winning a title. The picks don't have to stop at top 3 when talking about tanking. And what is the point... you saying we should build through FA? Assemble a super team? That we should draft an MVP at 15 or in the second round? Guess what... because we own other teams picks we can do all those things with tanking.

 

[JimLes]

Sure buddy. His list has Morant, Zion and Jaylen yet Kyrie, Trae, KAT and Beal couldn't be in the conversation. That is just stupid. By the way you should actually do a little research before talking **** and saying guys aren't even all nba types. Kyrie had been all nba 2nd team once and third team twice. KAT has been all nba third team twice. Trae has been all nba 3rd team once. Beal had been all nba 3rd team once.

None of those players are ATGs. Some of them won't even be HOFers. Oooh, Trae made a single All-NBA team. Put up right up there with Jokić and Curry.

But sure, I'll bite. Let's see how you're not trolling. Build a team around Beal of players who aren't better than him that would win a title. Let's see what you come up with.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'd be working to keep Lauri and tank... which means I'd be trying to move Sexton, Kessler, JC X 2... create maximum cap flexibility for a big splash next year. Hope to catch lightening in a bottle and get a high pick, maybe one of the young guys "pops", and you also have cap space to make some win-now type signings to bolster the team. If things aren't working you can pivot and trade Lauri at the draft.

One thing I think we will have to do though is compromise a bit on trade value. I don't want to do that with Lauri... but we will have to have flexibility to get some deals done over the next 12 months. Including like pick/rookie consolidation at some point.

 

[David Stern]

I am excited that it looks like we'll be keeping him.

I don’t think that’s anywhere close to guaranteed until August 6th

 

[HermanG]

These are the type of qualifiers that make the conversation exhausting. I chip in because when I see something incorrect I will mention it. I have had exhaustive conversations with people on this board about the subject. I know what they will do... like put restrictive qualifiers on how the conversation should be considered a success. Duncan, Robinson, Tatum, Lebron, Kyrie... but success can be more than winning a title. The picks don't have to stop at top 3 when talking about tanking. And what is the point... you saying we should build through FA? Assemble a super team? That we should draft an MVP at 15 or in the second round? Guess what... because we own other teams picks we can do all those things with tanking.

Im not teying to set qualifiers at all. You think I'm anti-tanking but I'm not. I'm anti-"blow it up to pieces to get the best odds".

The point is not that we must build through FA. Its just that there is a misconception among many that to get MVP-level guy you must tank and do it "properly". Im sure you can see how commonly that is referred here?

The flat lottery AND the fact those guys get drafted outside of top 5 is the reason why tanking is not must.

The cost is always there: the worse you perform the more your roster bleeds value.

 

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