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Donald Fires FBI Director who's investigating Russian Election Hacking

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trolololololololololol the russia narative is death. now it is the nazi narative.

whats next the space reptilion conspiracy!


ZOMG trump and his familiez are reptilians from planet uranus
 
trolololololololololol the russia narative is death. now it is the nazi narative.

whats next the space reptilion conspiracy!


ZOMG trump and his familiez are reptilians from planet uranus
What the hell makes you think the Russian stuff is over?

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What the hell makes you think the Russian stuff is over?

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Exactly.

I thought I read last week before Donald's racist rant at trump tower that Mueller recently closed in on Manafort and Piebrus and some of their financials?

Anyway, the point is, just because Donald has distracted us with his stupid antics doesn't mean that Mueller and his army of investigators are. With McConnell's recent leak, essentially telling republicans to drop trump, I suspect that when Mueller presents his case, congressional republicans will be more than eager to rid themselves of this tumor.
 
One thing that Trump's candidacy and presidency has done is show me how many people in my circle of family and friends have far more racist views than I had ever suspected. Most are not alt-right levels, but it has been disappointing and upsetting to me. Calling them out on it does not work. It makes them defensive and more likely to hold onto their viewpoints. These are people that I love, and fighting them and belittling them will only hurt our relationships. It is difficult for me. I cannot understand how they have come to their conclusions. They cannot understand how I have come to mine.

The only thing I can do is discuss situations as they arise. I explain my reasoning while attempting to not be condescending. It is slowly working on a few of my closest family members (Fox News devotees). Sometimes I can get them to see things in a slightly different way for a particular event, and I'm hoping they will apply that to other events. And I sometimes change the way I think in a small measure as well.

I had been conflicted about the removal of Confederate flags and statues in the past because it did seem like we were trying to erase American history. The more I learned about it, however, I am no longer conflicted. While preserving that history is important, it has no place in parks and around government buildings. It belongs in museums, similar to the new museum in Utah about the Topaz internment camp. It is appropriate to remember the atrocity that our country inflicted on a minority race during World War II in the hope that we will never do such a thing again. However, it would not be appropriate to install monuments and fly the flag of the internment camp around the city square (yes, I understand it isn't exactly the same).

The same goes for the Confederacy. They fought a war against our country, in effect, and they lost. It makes little sense to me that people glorify that. It would almost be like having Japanese monuments touting the victory at Pearl Harbor on our government property. Yeah, they ultimately lost the war, but hey, look at how great a job they did at the beginning. So much to admire with their surprise attack. (Again, I see the differences)

Confederate symbols became popular during the Civil Rights movement of the 1960's. That isn't a coincidence. As was evidenced this weekend, Confederate symbols are a touchstone to those who are opposed to others that are different from themselves, and to those who have hidden these dark parts of themselves in the past but are emboldened by the current national climate.

Still, I agree with Red's viewpoint that there was little to be gained by protesting the white nationalist protestors. The Constitution protects their rights to be racist. Battling it out in the public square isn't likely to solve a thing or change anyone's minds. This is a battle of ideas, not of weapons.

all solid logic. The thing is .. where do you stop with removing whatever monuments, etc ? Who is to be the judge of this, because you must know it wouldn't stop there and there would be a bunch of wildly varying opinions on other historical artifacts. ?? Is pulling down a statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest really going to change a racist *****' ideas on race ??
 
Where does the removal of Confederate monuments stop? Pretty easy, it stops once all the confederate monuments have been removed.
As has been mentioned, many are not all that historical at all. There was a spat of Confederate monuments erected during the civil rights era of the 1960s and another spat of monuments from 2000-present. Those monuments are not to remind white southerners of their (loser) heritage, they are to remind black people of their place.
 
Where does the removal of Confederate monuments stop? Pretty easy, it stops once all the confederate monuments have been removed.
As has been mentioned, many are not all that historical at all. There was a spat of Confederate monuments erected during the civil rights era of the 1960s and another spat of monuments from 2000-present. Those monuments are not to remind white southerners of their (loser) heritage, they are to remind black people of their place.

then they start removing the constitution, the faces of the dollars.

because after all those people also owned slaves!

they must be erased from history!
 
then they start removing the constitution, the faces of the dollars.

because after all those people also owned slaves!

they must be erased from history!

No... I'm pretty sure they'll stop with Confederates.

But thanks for the fake news!
 
then they start removing the constitution, the faces of the dollars.

because after all those people also owned slaves!

they must be erased from history!

This isn't a very good trick. I can see the string.
 
then they start removing the constitution, the faces of the dollars.

because after all those people also owned slaves!

they must be erased from history!

Confederates would not be remembered at all had they not fought a war to preserve slavery. Attempting to preserve slavery and the suppression of black rights following the war is the whole of their legacy. That should not be celebrated, venerated, or put on any pedastal.

Thomas Jefferson on the other hand would be remembered had he owned slaves or not. We do not celebrate him having owned slaves. We celebrate his accomplishments and his words not his failure to live up to them.
 
all solid logic. The thing is .. where do you stop with removing whatever monuments, etc ? Who is to be the judge of this, because you must know it wouldn't stop there and there would be a bunch of wildly varying opinions on other historical artifacts. ?? Is pulling down a statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest really going to change a racist *****' ideas on race ??
You stop at monuments honoring the Confederacy. It can and will stop there because outside of a few loons there is no equivalence between widely honored and beloved founders like Washington and Jefferson, flawed on slavery as they may have been, and traitors to their country like Lee, Jackson and Forrest.

Concerning history, there isn’t much varied opinion on Benedict Arnold or fretting about why there are no monuments to his heroism at Saratoga before he betrayed his country. He remains an important part of American culture, just through history books, and not in bronze in public parks. Twenty years from now Lee, Jackson and Forrest will have joined Arnold, nothing remotely wrong or worrisome about that.

And yes, pulling down any monument to Nathan Bedford Forrest, a founder and first Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, is helpful in combating racism. Racism is not an either/or problem, it’s not wear the hood and burn the cross or don’t, but a continuum, from mild prejudicial thoughts and feelings that may never be expressed to dozens of more tangible degrees.
 
What in our society has made celebrating slavery specifically a slippery slope? Seems pretty cut and dry to me. We had slavery, we realized slavery was morally unacceptable, and we fought ourselves over getting rid of it. Those that fought for it should not be celebrated.

What's so slippery about that, exactly?
 
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