Donald Fires FBI Director who's investigating Russian Election Hacking

[infection]

If you do a google search of the Obama/Putin open mic there are tons are articles. NY Times, LA Times, Reuters, Washington Post, Politico, RealClear, Politifact, Guardian, Telegraph, ABC, Washington times.

Strangely I don't see a single CNN or MSNBC article...huh

There’s no doubt it was covered, the argument is that Obama “took heat” over it. The fact that everyone keeps saying it was an Obama/Putin hot mic is interesting, if not telling.

I just ran Obama/Putin open mic on google search and a CNN article was in 8th position....

Here’s that article. Would be curious where the heat is. I think Joe hits it on the head. As you read through, ask yourself if this article would read the same if it were Trump:

https://www.google.com/amp/politica...n-president-for-space-on-missile-defense/amp/

Seoul, South Korea (CNN) — In a private conversation about the planned U.S.-led NATO missile defense system in Europe, President Barack Obama asked outgoing Russian President Dmitry Medvedev for space on the issue.

“This is my last election,” Obama told Medvedev. “After my election I have more flexibility.”

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“I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir,” Medvedev said, referring to incoming President Vladimir Putin.

The two leaders talked Monday during a formal one-on-one meeting ahead of the Nuclear Security Summit in Seoul, South Korea. In video they are seen seated, almost huddled, facing each other, each man with his elbows on his knees, leaning in closely over a small table, as they speak intently. Part of the exchange was caught on camera at the end of the 90-minute meeting as reporters and cameras entered the room for a quick photo opportunity of Obama and Medvedev.

It’s a prickly issue between the two countries. NATO and U.S. leaders insist the project is designed to protect against a potential Iranian strike and would not be used against Russia. But Russia bristles at having a missile defense system so close to its border, arguing it violates Russian sovereignty.

“The United States is committed to implementing our missile defense system, which we’ve repeatedly said is not aimed at Russia,” said Ben Rhodes, deputy national security adviser for strategic communications, in a statement. “However, given the longstanding difference between the U.S. and Russia on this issue, it will take time and technical work before we can try to reach an agreement.”

Rhodes acknowledged the difficulty of finding a solution when politics are at play. “Since 2012 is an election year in both countries, with an election and leadership transition in Russia and an election in the United States, it is clearly not a year in which we are going to achieve a breakthrough. Therefore, President Obama and President Medvedev agreed that it was best to instruct our technical experts to do the work of better understanding our respective positions, providing space for continued discussions on missile defense cooperation going forward.”

I think we really miss the mark about how we understand bias. I think people believe that if something is ok or justified then that removes bias. For instance, all of us here have hated the Lakers in the past. We have good reason and are justified but that doesn’t mean we’re not biased.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

Wow, the only thing I can find with a search from CNN is an article with the 10 biggest hot mic gaffes... and the Obama/Putin one is not on their top 10 list.

Prob got bumped by “grab her by the *****” eh?




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[Stoked]

I find the description of Obama/Putin Open Mic not to be “telling” (as you mean it) at all. It is a very accurate description of the situation.

It is interesting the apparent silence from CNN. I’ve long thought very poorly of MSNBC so I’m not surprised there.

 

[infection]

I find the description of Obama/Putin Open Mic not to be “telling” (as you mean it) at all. It is a very accurate description of the situation.

It is interesting the apparent silence from CNN. I’ve long thought very poorly of MSNBC so I’m not surprised there.

It’s the fact that it was Medvedev, not Putin, which just speaks more to the general unfamiliarity with it. Sessions meeting with the Russian ambassador garnered more attention/“heat.”

 

[Stoked]

It’s the fact that it was Medvedev, not Putin, which just speaks more to the general unfamiliarity with it. Sessions meeting with the Russian ambassador garnered more attention/“heat.”

You are correct that it was Medvedev. Completely missed that.

 

[Red]

Did you know that CNS and CNN are not the same thing... at all.

Using my iPad, I believe I ran the search query exactly as Stoked phrased it: "Obama/Putin open mic". A CNN piece was in 8th place, a CNS piece was in 9th place.

This is the CNN piece that came up:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...ssian-president-for-space-on-missile-defense/

Now, it's possible my iPad suffered from confirmation bias. Not trying to be sarcastic. I run searches for political news a lot, always use Google, and CNN comes up a lot. Whatever the cause, I guess I don't really know why my search would be the only one that returned a CNN result, and nobody else got that result. You did have me going, though. If I had mistaken CNS for CNN, I was prepared to apologize, but I just ran it again, and the above CNN article was in the 8th position.

I used google, not google news, since it happened a few years ago.

I could take a screen shot of my search results if needed, or folks could take my word for it that it was 8th in the returned results....

 

[infection]

Using my iPad, I believe I ran the search query exactly as Stoked phrased it: "Obama/Putin open mic". A CNN piece was in 8th place, a CNS piece was in 9th piece.

This is the CNN piece that came up:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...ssian-president-for-space-on-missile-defense/

Now, it's possible my iPad suffered from confirmation bias. Not trying to be sarcastic. I run searches for political news a lot, always use Google, and CNN comes up a lot. Whatever the cause, I guess I don't really know why my search would be the only one that returned a CNN result, and nobody else got that result. You did have me going, though. If I had mistaken CNS for CNN, I was prepared to apologize, but I just ran it again, and the above CNN article was in the 8th position.

I used google, not google news, since it happened a few years ago.

That’s exactly the article I posted. I think it’s important to keep focused on what we’re debating — whether or not Obama took heat for that. I’d urge you to read the article. It quotes what happened, then the entire body of the article side-steps the actual issue. The title of the article doesn’t even contain the actual heat of the issue — that Obama was asking for space outside the public arena for political reasons and he had more latitude after his election because it’s “[his] last election.”

 

[Red]

There’s no doubt it was covered, the argument is that Obama “took heat” over it. The fact that everyone keeps saying it was an Obama/Putin hot mic is interesting, if not telling.



Here’s that article. Would be curious where the heat is. I think Joe hits it on the head. As you read through, ask yourself if this article would read the same if it were Trump:

https://www.google.com/amp/politica...n-president-for-space-on-missile-defense/amp/



I think we really miss the mark about how we understand bias. I think people believe that if something is ok or justified then that removes bias. For instance, all of us here have hated the Lakers in the past. We have good reason and are justified but that doesn’t mean we’re not biased.

Sorry, did not realize you had come up with the same article before I replied to Joe's observation that I had confused CNS for CNN....

 

[Red]

That’s exactly the article I posted. I think it’s important to keep focused on what we’re debating — whether or not Obama took heat for that. I’d urge you to read the article. It quotes what happened, then the entire body of the article side-steps the actual issue. The title of the article doesn’t even contain the actual heat of the issue — that Obama was asking for space outside the public arena for political reasons and he had more latitude after his election because it’s “[his] last election.”

OK, yeah, you're right in suggesting I was really not paying attention to the content of the article at all. I basically had just decided to run the search Stoked had run, and was surprised to see a CNN article in the results and had decided to point that out. And then decided to point out to Joe that I really was not confusing CNS for CNN. And did the latter before I realized you had found that CNN article and posted it. So, my bad all around...

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Using my iPad, I believe I ran the search query exactly as Stoked phrased it: "Obama/Putin open mic". A CNN piece was in 8th place, a CNS piece was in 9th piece.

This is the CNN piece that came up:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...ssian-president-for-space-on-missile-defense/

Now, it's possible my iPad suffered from confirmation bias. Not trying to be sarcastic. I run searches for political news a lot, always use Google, and CNN comes up a lot. Whatever the cause, I guess I don't really know why my search would be the only one that returned a CNN result, and nobody else got that result. You did have me going, though. If I had mistaken CNS for CNN, I was prepared to apologize, but I just ran it again, and the above CNN article was in the 8th position.

I used google, not google news, since it happened a few years ago.

It's not surprising that Google returns results with a bias toward the searcher. I'm surprised I wouldn't get anything from CNN, though, because I use their site a lot. Regardless, I think this search has illustrated pretty much what I believed that it would. If anyone is aware of a mainstream media source that put heat on Obama for this moment I would love to see it. I've read several (CNN, Washington Post, NYT) which have all simply reported the facts with no comentary other than to note that Republican challengers seized on the quote. If anyone believes those media outlets would handle a Donald Trump quote similarly they are kidding themselves. Listen to the way that CNN's lead white house correspondent talks about Trump. This is not reporting. This is commentary, and very biased commentary at that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N0imgPt-iM

 

[colton]

Using my iPad, I believe I ran the search query exactly as Stoked phrased it: "Obama/Putin open mic". A CNN piece was in 8th place, a CNS piece was in 9th place.

This is the CNN piece that came up:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...ssian-president-for-space-on-missile-defense/

Now, it's possible my iPad suffered from confirmation bias. Not trying to be sarcastic. I run searches for political news a lot, always use Google, and CNN comes up a lot. Whatever the cause, I guess I don't really know why my search would be the only one that returned a CNN result, and nobody else got that result. You did have me going, though. If I had mistaken CNS for CNN, I was prepared to apologize, but I just ran it again, and the above CNN article was in the 8th position.

I used google, not google news, since it happened a few years ago.

I could take a screen shot of my search results if needed, or folks could take my word for it that it was 8th in the returned results....

Super weird. I ran the exact same search right now with Google (not Google news, so just like you), and no CNN article in the top 30 results (I stopped looking at 30). And the CNS article was in 8th place.

 

[Red]

I remember when Edward R. Murrow decided to go biased when few others would. I've long thought it was one of the functions of the press to serve as democracy's watchdog. Murrow spoke out, destroyed Joe McCarthy as a result, and did our nation a favor. Of course, I have to accept I may be biased in these views...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEvEmkMNYHY&app=desktop