Donald Fires FBI Director who's investigating Russian Election Hacking

[Red]

Exactly.

One poster in particular on this website seemed angry at me pointing this out to him. He even threatened to block me over it. Wonder how he feels now?

Trump can obstruct justice and thwart this investigation with this kind of nonsense. This Republican Congress will let him. Very concerning.

Reading things like this puts me in the mood of seeing Trump as a true Manchurian candidate. I'm sure that will be seen as the ultimate overreaction, but I can't help but wonder if this guy isn't in fact a traitor. So far, I've only been willing to believe he and his campaign helped Putin in his intereference in the election, with maybe easing up on sanctions as a reward for that help. Now it's true the sanctions were eventually increased, but only very, very reluctantly, and that might have been an audible Trump was forced to make, while the true goal of breaking up the Western alliance was kept in sight all along, and every effort made to achieve it. I honestly think the man's words and actions are pushing me toward that possibility:

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/06/08...with-a-key-goal-when-he-spurns-us-allies.html

 

[Deleted member 365]

Reading things like this puts me in the mood of seeing Trump as a true Manchurian candidate. I'm sure that will be seen as the ultimate overreaction, but I can't help but wonder if this guy isn't in fact a traitor. So far, I've only been willing to believe he and his campaign helped Putin in his intereference in the election, with maybe easing up on sanctions as a reward for that help. Now it's true the sanctions were eventually increased, but only very, very reluctantly, and that might have been an audible Trump was forced to make, while the true goal of breaking up the Western alliance was kept in sight all along, and every effort made to achieve it. I honestly think the man's words and actions are pushing me toward that possibility:

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/06/08...with-a-key-goal-when-he-spurns-us-allies.html

From what I’ve read, Putin would like nothing more than to drive a wedge between western allies. He’s never forgotten nor forgiven us for breaking up the Soviet Union. Likewise, he'd like nothing more than to serve some revenge and break up the western alliance.

Trump and the republicans are doing just that.

 

[Red]

From what I’ve read, Putin would like nothing more than to drive a wedge between western allies. He’s never forgotten nor forgiven us for breaking up the Soviet Union. Likewise, he'd like nothing more than to serve some revenge and break up the western alliance.

Trump and the republicans are doing just that.

Yep, the stakes could not be higher at this point. BTW, I heard one reason Mueller indicted those 13 Russians when he did, is because it was right after Trump's lawyers sent Mueller the memo in Jan. claiming Trump could not commit obstruction of justice, etc. Mueller knew Trump could not very well pardon Russian nationals, so the investigation of them could continue, and Americans could still be brought in as co-conspirators with those Russians if the evidence warranted it. Smart move on Mueller's part.

 

[Gameface]

Yep, the stakes could not be higher at this point. BTW, I heard one reason Mueller indicted those 13 Russians when he did, is because it was right after Trump's lawyers sent Mueller the memo in Jan. claiming Trump could not commit obstruction of justice, etc. Mueller knew Trump could not very well pardon Russian nationals, so the investigation of them could continue, and Americans could still be brought in as co-conspirators with those Russians if the evidence warranted it. Smart move on Mueller's part.

Mueller is a bad *** American patriot. Anyone trying to disparage him needs to check their facts and their loyalty to the United States. Maybe they'd like Nazi Germany better? Babe???

 

[sirkickyass]

From what I’ve read, Putin would like nothing more than to drive a wedge between western allies. He’s never forgotten nor forgiven us for breaking up the Soviet Union. Likewise, he'd like nothing more than to serve some revenge and break up the western alliance.

Trump and the republicans are doing just that.

It's a lot more complicated than that.

Thinking of adversaries as motivated by pettiness only is not a particularly good way to view the world. Russians, in general, also don't think that the United States is responsible for "breaking up the Soviet Union." Many blame Gorbachev and Yeltsin, who generally have the worst retrospective approval ratings of any Russian leaders after the 1917 revolution.

 

[babe]

Not so many communists in Russia anymore. Whatever the warts on Putin, his popularity is largely based on pragmatism. Russians are proud nationalists. And, religious almost. Well, it's part of what it means to be Russian. Orthodox. big painted eggs and iconic relics.

Putin does want to regain some territory. Historical Russia? Cultural Russia?? Where the people have the loyalty still. While some Americans are over-zealous to paint Putin as a thug/KGB killer or whatnot, he is not that. A renaissance man, maybe. But a Russian for sure. Who knows if his religious devotions on camera are sincere, but the people love it. He strikes me as no damn fool.

Here is his personal website.... a sort of political rag....

http://eng.putin.kremlin.ru/bio

Look at all the ordinary professions. He is probably one of the most statist, most oligarchal, most socialist in his thinking and in his personal fortune, on planet earth. But not as rich as China's Xi. Just more of an absolute monarch.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Ummmm

 

[Deleted member 365]

It's a lot more complicated than that.

Thinking of adversaries as motivated by pettiness only is not a particularly good way to view the world. Russians, in general, also don't think that the United States is responsible for "breaking up the Soviet Union." Many blame Gorbachev and Yeltsin, who generally have the worst retrospective approval ratings of any Russian leaders after the 1917 revolution.

Additionally, Putin a few years ago was losing support even in the rigged elections they have. He had to find an existential enemy to “rally the troops.”

So he turned to two easy targets, the LGBT community and the United States.

Attacking the West is an easy way to deflect criticism over his regime’s poor economy, quality of life, and declining birth rates and population. It also incentivizes countries nearby, like Turkey and Hungary to reject the west and endorse more authoritarian ways of thinking. It’s their way of “taking back” their sphere of influence.

It’s sad that we have a president so compromised by putin that he refuses to hold his feet to the fire. Putin isn’t in that powerful of a position right now. A unified west, engaged America, and crippling sanctions would be formidable against Putin.

 

[cowhide]

Not so many communists in Russia anymore. Whatever the warts on Putin, his popularity is largely based on pragmatism. Russians are proud nationalists. And, religious almost. Well, it's part of what it means to be Russian. Orthodox. big painted eggs and iconic relics.

Putin does want to regain some territory. Historical Russia? Cultural Russia?? Where the people have the loyalty still. While some Americans are over-zealous to paint Putin as a thug/KGB killer or whatnot, he is not that. A renaissance man, maybe. But a Russian for sure. Who knows if his religious devotions on camera are sincere, but the people love it. He strikes me as no damn fool.

Here is his personal website.... a sort of political rag....

http://eng.putin.kremlin.ru/bio

Look at all the ordinary professions. He is probably one of the most statist, most oligarchal, most socialist in his thinking and in his personal fortune, on planet earth. But not as rich as China's Xi. Just more of an absolute monarch.

We are not over-zealous to paint Putin a thug/KGB killer, rational americans see the fact that is what he is. He presents himself in a different light but behind close doors he is what he has shown. He remains in power because of fear mostly not because people are pragmatic about the reality of life in Russia.

 

[colton]

Ummmm

Complacency is our enemy. So we shouldn't make waves against our current president. Yeah, makes sense.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Complacency is our enemy. So we shouldn't make waves against our current president. Yeah, makes sense.

That’s the GOP chairwoman and Mitt Romney’s niece if I’m not mistaken! Yikes...

If you eliminate Trump’s name in that it reads very much like a fascist propaganda message. democratic norms are eroding all over the place. The GOP chairwoman is threatening people.

Scary times.

We need a blue wave to get rid of this fascism.

 

[Deleted member 365]

EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt has seemingly become to governmental ethics what Three Mile Island was to nuclear safety. A constant drumbeat of questions about his ethical behavior — excessive spending on security and office improvements, allegedly leveraging his personal position for his wife’s private gain, using EPA employees for personal work —

This guy still has a job. Amazing how far we’ve fallen.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ump-wont-fire-him-what-penalty-could-he-face/