Donald is about to go through some things...

[gandalfe]

The question is - would you support a proxy war with China if the US continues to ignore their own policy and the warnings of the Chinese government and conflict ensues between China and Taiwan?

Do you feel that the Russia/Ukraine war is a proxy war? If so, how do you explain that Russia invaded Ukraine? Generally, a proxy war is considered to be one in which the instigating party does not actually take part, at least, not technically. So, are you saying that the US/NATO instigated the war?

As for a hypothetical war between China dn Taiwan, that is super tricky, because everyone but China believes that Taiwan is a sovereign nation, but pretends like that don't think that to keep from China getting their panties in a twist. So, would the US be willing to pretend it is a civil war, (What you're trying to be cute and calling a "war with itself") or would they say it was an act of aggression between a larger nation and a smaller one? Damned if I know. I would honestly say that's above my pay grade, except that I'm not even in that pay scale.

The bigger question, of course, is "Can there be a just war?" My view is yes, but they're pretty few and far between in our modern world. The most common, perhaps only case for it, is when a nation is purely protecting itself. Ukraine, Jordan, going back to WWII. Those are the only ones I can think of in living memory that I would consider a just war. So what about the Civil War? Was the US just in defending itself from a breakaway group? Or the revolutionary war, was the soon-to-be US just to break away itself?

 

[Rubashov]

Do you feel that the Russia/Ukraine war is a proxy war? If so, how do you explain that Russia invaded Ukraine? Generally, a proxy war is considered to be one in which the instigating party does not actually take part, at least, not technically. So, are you saying that the US/NATO instigated the war?

As for a hypothetical war between China dn Taiwan, that is super tricky, because everyone but China believes that Taiwan is a sovereign nation, but pretends like that don't think that to keep from China getting their panties in a twist. So, would the US be willing to pretend it is a civil war, (What you're trying to be cute and calling a "war with itself") or would they say it was an act of aggression between a larger nation and a smaller one? Damned if I know. I would honestly say that's above my pay grade, except that I'm not even in that pay scale.

The bigger question, of course, is "Can there be a just war?" My view is yes, but they're pretty few and far between in our modern world. The most common, perhaps only case for it, is when a nation is purely protecting itself. Ukraine, Jordan, going back to WWII. Those are the only ones I can think of in living memory that I would consider a just war. So what about the Civil War? Was the US just in defending itself from a breakaway group? Or the revolutionary war, was the soon-to-be US just to break away itself?

Vietnamese wars of independence, republican side during the Spanish civil war, every war fought against British or colonial occupation, these would all be considered just wars in my opinion.

 

[fishonjazz]

I wasn’t defending trump I made my case about the problem with going after political opponents right away

So you think the investigation into biden is wrong then i guess.

 

[Mongoose]

Do you feel that the Russia/Ukraine war is a proxy war? If so, how do you explain that Russia invaded Ukraine? Generally, a proxy war is considered to be one in which the instigating party does not actually take part, at least, not technically. So, are you saying that the US/NATO instigated the war?

As for a hypothetical war between China dn Taiwan, that is super tricky, because everyone but China believes that Taiwan is a sovereign nation, but pretends like that don't think that to keep from China getting their panties in a twist. So, would the US be willing to pretend it is a civil war, (What you're trying to be cute and calling a "war with itself") or would they say it was an act of aggression between a larger nation and a smaller one? Damned if I know. I would honestly say that's above my pay grade, except that I'm not even in that pay scale.

The bigger question, of course, is "Can there be a just war?" My view is yes, but they're pretty few and far between in our modern world. The most common, perhaps only case for it, is when a nation is purely protecting itself. Ukraine, Jordan, going back to WWII. Those are the only ones I can think of in living memory that I would consider a just war. So what about the Civil War? Was the US just in defending itself from a breakaway group? Or the revolutionary war, was the soon-to-be US just to break away itself?

Yes I would say the US and NATO instigated the war between Russia and Ukraine. I’ve posted about this stuff already. I’m still trying to see if any of the “anti-war” folks here are inclined to take any sort of stance against a similar situation with China. Should the US be arming Chinas neighbors? We know how that has played out in Ukraine so far.

So if folks don’t want to answer hypotheticals maybe they can answer this question- that is currently highly relevant to politics now.
Should the US back off from arming Taiwan to avoid a proxy war (or potentially nuclear war) with China? Or the potential slaughter of Taiwanese? I think yes they should. Unfortunately though I think it is a situation that the US will continue to risk escalating no matter which side (republican or democrat) is in power and maybe that’s why people here are reluctant to say anything, I don’t know? I don’t know why everyone is so reluctant to have an opinion. It’s such a friendly place with nuanced political discussions here. So far my theory that folks need to remain vague and wishy washy until they know the official democrat talking points is holding up pretty good.

Do you condemn wars where larger nations carry out acts of aggressions towards smaller nations? So are you opposed to the US occupation in Syria? Or were you opposed to the war in Afghanistan?

 

[Deleted member 365]

LOL

Authoritarian regimes have the right to do anything they want. Poison dissidents living in other countries with radioactive tea, kill off entire communities of minorities, lie about Covid, **** with the ballot initiatives and elections of western democracies, and invade any countries they want and take their land.

Meanwhile, America is to blame for everything bad in the world. Especially for providing Ukraine with self defense.

Amazing

 

[Gameface]

Yes I would say the US and NATO instigated the war between Russia and Ukraine. I’ve posted about this stuff already. I’m still trying to see if any of the “anti-war” folks here are inclined to take any sort of stance against a similar situation with China. Should the US be arming Chinas neighbors? We know how that has played out in Ukraine so far.

So if folks don’t want to answer hypotheticals maybe they can answer this question- that is currently highly relevant to politics now.
Should the US back off from arming Taiwan to avoid a proxy war (or potentially nuclear war) with China? Or the potential slaughter of Taiwanese? I think yes they should. Unfortunately though I think it is a situation that the US will continue to risk escalating no matter which side (republican or democrat) is in power and maybe that’s why people here are reluctant to say anything, I don’t know? I don’t know why everyone is so reluctant to have an opinion. It’s such a friendly place with nuanced political discussions here. So far my theory that folks need to remain vague and wishy washy until they know the official democrat talking points is holding up pretty good.

Do you condemn wars where larger nations carry out acts of aggressions towards smaller nations? So are you opposed to the US occupation in Syria? Or were you opposed to the war in Afghanistan?

Providing nations with the means to defend themselves is a provocation that justifies a larger power invade them? The U.S. and NATO provided Russia with a justified reason to invade Ukraine? Just gonna give that a hard disagree. I don't think we have anything to talk about, really. I mean if you could make your position make sense that would be fascinating but since you haven't done that yet leads me to believe that you cannot.

The U.S. has been a bad actor in international affairs MANY times. What the U.S. has never done post WWII is attempt to acquire territory through conquest. You seem to be giving a pass to Russia (and potentially China) while holding to U.S. to a completely different standard.

 

[gandalfe]

Yes I would say the US and NATO instigated the war between Russia and Ukraine. I’ve posted about this stuff already. I’m still trying to see if any of the “anti-war” folks here are inclined to take any sort of stance against a similar situation with China. Should the US be arming Chinas neighbors? We know how that has played out in Ukraine so far.

So if folks don’t want to answer hypotheticals maybe they can answer this question- that is currently highly relevant to politics now.
Should the US back off from arming Taiwan to avoid a proxy war (or potentially nuclear war) with China? Or the potential slaughter of Taiwanese? I think yes they should. Unfortunately though I think it is a situation that the US will continue to risk escalating no matter which side (republican or democrat) is in power and maybe that’s why people here are reluctant to say anything, I don’t know? I don’t know why everyone is so reluctant to have an opinion. It’s such a friendly place with nuanced political discussions here. So far my theory that folks need to remain vague and wishy washy until they know the official democrat talking points is holding up pretty good.

Do you condemn wars where larger nations carry out acts of aggressions towards smaller nations? So are you opposed to the US occupation in Syria? Or were you opposed to the war in Afghanistan?

Again, I don't really have enough information about the Taiwan/China situation to say exactly. But, generally, no, I don't think the US should be sending them great amounts of armament - basic stuff is probably OK.

I was absolutely opposed to the war in Afghanistan, and Iraq (the 2nd time) as well. Syria, again, I haven't examined it much, but it doesn't seem to fit into my "just war" paradigm.

 

[Rubashov]

Providing nations with the means to defend themselves is a provocation that justifies a larger power invade them? The U.S. and NATO provided Russia with a justified reason to invade Ukraine? Just gonna give that a hard disagree. I don't think we have anything to talk about, really. I mean if you could make your position make sense that would be fascinating but since you haven't done that yet leads me to believe that you cannot.

The U.S. has been a bad actor in international affairs MANY times. What the U.S. has never done post WWII is attempt to acquire territory through conquest. You seem to be giving a pass to Russia (and potentially China) while holding to U.S. to a completely different standard.

Selling weapons is also fairly profitable....

 

[Gameface]

Selling weapons is also fairly profitable....

 

[Rubashov]

Again, I don't really have enough information about the Taiwan/China situation to say exactly. But, generally, no, I don't think the US should be sending them great amount of armament - basic stuff is probably OK.

I was absolutely opposed to the war in Afghanistan, and Iraq (the 2nd time) as well. Syria, again, I haven't examined it buch, but it doesn't seem to fit into my "just war" paradigm.

Taiwan's position as an assured American protectorate has everything to do with the importance or more importantly declining importance of the Taiwanese economy to the west. Taiwan's dominance (near monopoly) of semiconductor manufacturing is declining with this Taiwan is less important to the west. Taiwan's security position will be more linked to that than anything else.

 

[Rubashov]

get some!!!

 

[Mongoose]

Providing nations with the means to defend themselves is a provocation that justifies a larger power invade them? The U.S. and NATO provided Russia with a justified reason to invade Ukraine? Just gonna give that a hard disagree. I don't think we have anything to talk about, really. I mean if you could make your position make sense that would be fascinating but since you haven't done that yet leads me to believe that you cannot.

The U.S. has been a bad actor in international affairs MANY times. What the U.S. has never done post WWII is attempt to acquire territory through conquest. You seem to be giving a pass to Russia (and potentially China) while holding to U.S. to a completely different standard.

There’s more of that nuanced political discussion found here where you lie and put words in my mouth. I never said Russia should have a pass. I don’t blame the US for all the problems in the world, but I do agree with you the US has been a bad actor in world affairs MANY times! I think policing the entire world it’s a tough situation to be in. I think it’s an incredibly tough gig and one I think the US should get the hell out of. Especially as it relates to places that according to our own policy we have no business being in.
I mean scale it down and look at all the problems the local police are blamed for and how often they are in no win situations. Im not saying we don’t need local police or that they aren’t serving an important role, because I think they are, but I do think we could scale it way back with the militarization of local police departments especially if those moneys and resources can be better utilized in more productive programs that benefit everyday Americans.