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fishonjazz said:

Powell reveals on the tapes that Trump deliberately ignored counsel telling him he lost the election — undermining his argument that he truly believed in good faith the election was rigged.
"There was really never any serious effort to uncover voter fraud or any serious belief in its existence,"

"It sounds very much like this was a political strategy from the beginning. Generate fake electors, go to the state legislators and state officials, the Republican members of Congress, that's the path forward. It doesn't really matter if we keep losing these claims.

"That is shocking. That's illegal. We got toward that, but this is more direct evidence. The other thing that comes through to me in all of these new debriefing tapes that are coming out is how much engaged the president was himself. A key fact for Jack Smith, Fani Willis, will be a personal involvement. He was briefed by [attorney Kenneth] Chesebro directly on the fake electors plans. He's talking directly to Sidney Powell about these theories of election fraud, which are debunked. He is not a passive observer being advised by lawyers. He's engaged in discussions and controlling and understanding a plot. Those are two significant things, very relevant in both cases."

"The other thing that Powell indicates very directly is she was present in repeated explanations to the president," said Heaphy. "Again, go back to [former Attorney General] Bill Barr's analogy about the clown car. There are capable lawyers that had been with the president throughout his time. His campaign lawyers, even on the political side, yet he listens to or adopts the flawed reasoning of people like the clown car. Sidney Powell, Jenna Ellis, who is not far out of law school, had no experience — these are the people on which he's going to claim to rely when the pros in the room are continually telling him in the presence of the clown car. All significant evidence of his understanding and his intent."
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And none of that is surprising in the least. In fact it was always patently obvious that Trump was doing absolutely anything he could to stay in power, including staging a rally on Jan. 6th and telling the crowd that he had been riling up for years to go over to the Capitol and "fight like hell" to interrupt the transfer of power.
 
One Brow said:
While there is always a coming recession, I've been hearing that one is 3-6 months away for the last 18 months. This economy seems to be defying the usual models.
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the stuff i'm talking about is far more specific than just the random speculation of the last few years which has mostly been right wing
 
LogGrad98 said:
He caters to the base instincts of people who feel they are under attack. As the world gets more liberal, those with hard-core conservative beliefs begin to feel the world is more hostile. Trump and his ilk promise to "restore order" by putting down the existential threat they feel. It's wholly in their minds, but when we have the prosperity we do, these threats of ideas are the most pressing existential threats we have. So they rally around that as it makes them feel he is their great defender and the defender of their way of life.

But a solid portion of this are people who are simply hard-wired to choose conservatism over any of the liberal boogey-men, like gay marriage or abortion, or even women's rights or, heaven help us, the ultimate demon of "socialism", even though they cannot explain why any of these things are a threat. They just vote "R" all the way down the ticket without really ever thinking about the issues at hand.

But the rise of Trump kind of represents a unique cross-roads here. Kind of the beginning of the last battles (hopefully) around institutionalized racism and sexism, where these concepts are finally encroaching on the daily thoughts, if not actually on the daily lives, of those still reliant on those systems to maintain their "way of life". And they are fighting back to keep it status quo. Hence they view him as a savior. To me, given the current zeitgeist, these kinds of people voting for Trump makes sense. It's sad and pathetic, but it makes sense.
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Great post.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Like Trump constantly presenting the stolen election statements that lead to Jan 6th. Say it enough and people will start to believe it.
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Yes, Trump has understood that if you repeat a lie often enough, the more it will be believed. Another thing he does is simply attempt to talk his alternate reality into existence. Repeat those alternate facts within the context of an alternate narrative. Over and over until that narrative has a life of its own. As well, Trump often blames others for the things he himself does. Constantly projecting his faults and misdeeds upon others. In fact, one of the best ways to determine what he has done or plans to do is simply understand everything he applies to others can usually be flipped and applied directly to Trump.
 
str8line said:
Colorado judge rules Trump engaged in insurrection but leaves name on ballot, decision being appealed to Colorado Supreme Court, then probably U.S. Supreme Court.

apnews.com

Colorado judge finds Trump engaged in insurrection, but rejects constitutional ballot challenge

A Colorado judge rejected an effort to keep former President Donald Trump from appearing on the state’s primary ballot.
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You do know that means, right? It means that what I said earlier about Trump not being part of the 36th or 37th Congress, not being the head of a department (the executive branch is a branch not a department), and not being in the military means the 14th Amendment doesn't apply due to the Amnesty Act of May 22, 1872. Everyone arguing with me on that one can suck it. We now have 100% of all legal precedent anywhere in the United States validating the standard of the 14th Amendment not applying to the US President. It appears you democracy subverters won't be able to subvert democracy after all.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
You do know that means, right? It means that what I said earlier about Trump not being part of the 36th or 37th Congress, not being the head of a department (the executive branch is a branch not a department), and not being in the military means the 14th Amendment doesn't apply due to the Amnesty Act of May 22, 1872. Everyone arguing with me on that one can suck it. We now have 100% of all legal precedent anywhere in the United States validating the standard of the 14th Amendment not applying to the US President. It appears you democracy subverters won't be able to subvert democracy after all.
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It appears presidents can subvert democracy if they want to.


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Al-O-Meter said:
You do know that means, right? It means that what I said earlier about Trump not being part of the 36th or 37th Congress, not being the head of a department (the executive branch is a branch not a department), and not being in the military means the 14th Amendment doesn't apply due to the Amnesty Act of May 22, 1872. Everyone arguing with me on that one can suck it.
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Here is the judge's ruling:

It does not, AFAICT, refer in any way to the Amnesty Act of 1872. I will "suck it" if you can find such a reference, but for now, you remain an ignorant boob, blinded by partisanship into delusions of competency. Instead, it finds that the 14th Amendment is not intended to be applied to the Presidency at all, based on the language of the 14th Amendment. IOWs, confirmed insurrectionists may run for President, even if they would be ineligible to run for Senator or serve in the Cabinet (paragraphs 312-315).

Al-O-Meter said:
We now have 100% of all legal precedent anywhere in the United States validating the standard of the 14th Amendment not applying to the US President.
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Wrong, as usual. We now have 100% of all legal precedent anywhere in the United States validating the standard of the 14th Amendment not applying to people campaigning to be the US President.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
You do know that means, right? It means that what I said earlier about Trump not being part of the 36th or 37th Congress, not being the head of a department (the executive branch is a branch not a department), and not being in the military means the 14th Amendment doesn't apply due to the Amnesty Act of May 22, 1872. Everyone arguing with me on that one can suck it. We now have 100% of all legal precedent anywhere in the United States validating the standard of the 14th Amendment not applying to the US President. It appears you democracy subverters won't be able to subvert democracy after all.
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It means it will go to the Supreme Court and they will decide whether to throw the U.S. in the trash can or not.

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Democrat Congressman calls for Trump to be assassinated to save democracy because apparently democracy means killing political opponents so voters only have one choice. He did later walk the comment back to blame it on a poor choice of words and what he really meant was that Trump needed to be killed, errr no, um, I mean, murdered. Wait. What Trump needs is to get fewer votes. Yeah, that's what he meant by his mouth words talking.

thehill.com

House Democrat apologizes after saying Trump ‘has to be eliminated’

Rep. Daniel Goldman (D-N.Y.) apologized Monday for his “poor choice of words” when he said former President Trump must be “eliminated” to protect democracy. “Yesterday on TV, I mistakenly used the …
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Al-O-Meter said:
Democrat Congressman calls for Trump to be assassinated to save democracy because apparently democracy means killing political opponents so voters only have one choice. He did later walk the comment back to blame it on a poor choice of words and what he really meant was that Trump needed to be killed, errr no, um, I mean, murdered. Wait. What Trump needs is to get fewer votes. Yeah, that's what he meant by his mouth words talking.

thehill.com

House Democrat apologizes after saying Trump ‘has to be eliminated’

Rep. Daniel Goldman (D-N.Y.) apologized Monday for his “poor choice of words” when he said former President Trump must be “eliminated” to protect democracy. “Yesterday on TV, I mistakenly used the …
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Has Trump ever walked back the use of "vermin"? Predictably, that you take Goldman's walk-back as evidence he meant it, and Trump's refusal to walk-back as evidence he did not mean it.
 
One Brow said:
Has Trump ever walked back the use of "vermin"? Predictably, that you take Goldman's walk-back as evidence he meant it, and Trump's refusal to walk-back as evidence he did not mean it.
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There is a big difference between calling something harmful to society (vermin) and saying someone needs to be killed (eliminated). I do happen to believe that governmental corruption is harmful to society.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
There is a big difference between calling something harmful to society (vermin) and saying someone needs to be killed (eliminated). I do happen to believe that governmental corruption is harmful to society.
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Thank you for the confirmation.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
There is a big difference between calling something harmful to society (vermin) and saying someone needs to be killed (eliminated). I do happen to believe that governmental corruption is harmful to society.
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Eh trump said that a general (milley) should be killed for........... Disagreeing with trump or something.
Also, trump said he could kill someone on 5th avenue and not lose any supporters.
Also, trump said when the looting starts the shooting starts.
 
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