Donald is about to go through some things...

[str8line]

I mean be a party loyalist all you want. I'm not going to follow you there.

I'm not a party loyalist at all, but I disagree with your take on Thriller.

This isn't about electric tanks, it's a straw man argument made by The Rapist to further engage the culture war so that come election time Trumptards are so riled up they are willing to not just attack the Capitol, but fellow Americans. This is definitely not about electric tanks. BTW is there a report somwewhere that the military is building electric tanks? But that's really beside the point.

The Thriller made his point right here and I think it's the crux of this conversation:

"2. Something both you and AL do a lot of and it’s dishonest, is remove context. This isn’t the first time Trump has rifted about electric tanks. Having non-tactical hybrid vehicles on base for transportation doesn’t sound like a bad idea. Yet, Trump exaggerates and lies, and makes it sound like our “woke military that loves LGBTs and blacks is now selling out our security for electric battle tanks while other less woke militaries continue to use good old fashioned manly fossil fuel powered tanks. Libs are weak impotent green queers!” There’s valuable MAGA context here that fuels his populism (fascism tbh). He’s not debating the merits of hybrid or electric powered vehicles. He’s using this as yet another point in his culture war. He’s creating a narrative that “MAGA strong people use fossil fuels while the other side uses dumb impotent wimpy unrealistic forms of energy. And I bet they also use vaccines, love gays, use wimpy shower heads, are black, etc.”

 

[Deleted member 365]

I mean be a party loyalist all you want. I'm not going to follow you there.

I take issue with this. When one party wants to end American democracy and the other doesn’t, for sake of our constitution we need you to follow us to the pro-democratic side. There can be plenty of time to debate what the perfect tax rate on billionaires should be. Right now however, that’s not the issue. The issue is whether we are going to empower Trump and the ideologues that want I replace American democracy with fascism.

 

[Bucknutz]

I don't think you're as bad as steak and eggs but you're certainly no better than AI-O-Meter

I think you're toxic.

I think you're too emotionally invested in the Democratic Party. I think you engage in very binary thinking. I don't think you take a sophisticated approach to these issues, I think you take a tribalistic approach to these issues.

I agree with you almost all of the time, but I seldom enjoy the toxicity you inject in your message. I often get turned off by your party loyalty. I don't want to be like left of center version of MAGA, but that is exactly how I see you.

You say it much better than I can. I know we view things very differently but I know we could actually have a conversation about something. I appreciate it.

 

[Sardines]

Challenge accepted!

I voted for Bush in 2004 in the first election I could vote in and voted for Utah’s own gay marriage ban that same year. Education, life experience, and the changing of the political parties have impacted my political views in the last 20 years. I also voted for Romney in 2012 over Obama and have overwhelmingly voted Republican in the past at the local level (govs huntsman and Herbert). So yeah, not exactly this ideologue you think. Instead of attacking me for having a binary way of thinking in 2024, perhaps the question should be why I think this way in 2024 and have changed so much over the past 12 and 20 years respectively? This also fits with the our own media’s blind spot concerning Biden voters. When was the last time Biden voters were interviewed in diners? Why aren’t people asking Biden supporters why they continue to support him? Is it because they belong to a cult, are toxic ideologies, or ignorant? Perhaps there’s a reason for their way of thinking?

I do think there are principles of conservatism that I can get behind. But what we’re seeing from the GOP over the last 10 years isn’t conservatism. I’d love for conservatives on here to debate ideas. Instead, they have this need to defend Trump. As we’ve seen today, it doesn’t matter the topic. They’ll tie themselves up in knots to defend Trump and turn the arguments on the messengers rather than debate an issue on its own merits. Which is again why I’m having to defend myself rather than us debating Trump’s unhinged rants and the danger that mind poses to our country and planet.

It’s not my place to ask you or Buck to actually do anything. But I do wish you’d ask “why” more. Instead of running to our tribal battle stations, ask the other poster why and for the responder to be vulnerable and honest enough to explain why.

Alright man. I'm gonna take the L and step back.

 

[Bucknutz]

I guess because the exact wording isn't being used. He never said shine a flashlight up your butt.
He said to use UV light to shine through the skin or something (I'm just going off memory from years ago so I might be off a little on the wording/phrasing)

See when being critical of trump you must be precise, specific, fair, honest etc. Even though trump is never those things when he talks about something/someone.

Anyone not named trump has to follow a different set of rules

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No across the board you should. I’m not posting stupid **** I know is wrong like when the right loud mouths will post; example any time Biden pauses while walking and it looks like he is ******** his pants but he is not. It’s stupid, not genuine and taken out of context. Same like the other day when he walks away from the parachute guy, that wasn’t accurate at all.

This is my issue with the posts on here. Just because he rants about electric tanks or mixes up a name or says $2 mortgages; when you listen to the whole rant he is talking percentages. He used $ instead of %. Oh no, he used $ he is unfit.

It’s utter nonsense, just like the right when the bashed Obama when he incorrectly said Corpsman. Or when Biden used Tuskegee Airman instead of Tuskegee experiment. The mistakes happen all the time. So what.

 

[str8line]

I take issue with this. When one party wants to end American democracy and the other doesn’t, for sake of our constitution we need you to follow us to the pro-democratic side. There can be plenty of time to debate what the perfect tax rate on billionaires should be. Right now however, that’s not the issue. The issue is whether we are going to empower Trump and the ideologues that want I replace American democracy with fascism.

Right, it has nothing to do with how senile Biden is getting and everything to do with Trump's textbook march toward a dictatorship.

 

[str8line]

Alright man. I'm gonna take the L and step back.

Haha. You're awesome man.

 

[str8line]

No across the board you should. I’m not posting stupid **** I know is wrong like when the right loud mouths will post; example any time Biden pauses while walking and it looks like he is ******** his pants but he is not. It’s stupid, not genuine and taken out of context. Same like the other day when he walks away from the parachute guy, that wasn’t accurate at all.

This is my issue with the posts on here. Just because he rants about electric tanks or mixes up a name or says $2 mortgages; when you listen to the whole rant he is talking percentages. He used $ instead of %. Oh no, he used $ he is unfit.

It’s utter nonsense, just like the right when the bashed Obama when he incorrectly said Corpsman. Or when Biden used Tuskegee Airman instead of Tuskegee experiment. The mistakes happen all the time. So what.

Are you sure there's not a few squirts every time he stops?

 

[str8line]

No across the board you should. I’m not posting stupid **** I know is wrong like when the right loud mouths will post; example any time Biden pauses while walking and it looks like he is ******** his pants but he is not. It’s stupid, not genuine and taken out of context. Same like the other day when he walks away from the parachute guy, that wasn’t accurate at all.

This is my issue with the posts on here. Just because he rants about electric tanks or mixes up a name or says $2 mortgages; when you listen to the whole rant he is talking percentages. He used $ instead of %. Oh no, he used $ he is unfit.

It’s utter nonsense, just like the right when the bashed Obama when he incorrectly said Corpsman. Or when Biden used Tuskegee Airman instead of Tuskegee experiment. The mistakes happen all the time. So what.

I agree with what you're saying and in some cases I'd give The Rapist the benefit of doubt, as I would Biden or anyone. But in so many cases with The Rapist his pedestrian rants have an underlying goal. The Rapist is a brilliant con man so he should be called out consistently when warranted, which is nearly all of the time because his overarching interest has nothing to do with the betterment of the USA. His goal is that of any malignant narcissist, to gain power and control over others.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

I agree with what you're saying and in some cases I'd give The Rapist the benefit of doubt, as I would Biden or anyone. But in so many cases with The Rapist his pedestrian rants have an underlying goal. The Rapist is a brilliant con man so he should be called out consistently when warranted, which is nearly all of the time because his overarching interest has nothing to do with the betterment of the USA. His goal is that of any malignant narcissist, to gain power and control over others.

the brilliant con man is on the money. He's the type that you deal with in life periodically who has worked out that despite a lack of substance or talent that if he just keeps waffling on enough and is abrasive enough and persistent enough that he can get his way just through a constant stream of ******** where people lose track of what the **** he is on about or just come to terms to shut him up and get rid of him and move on. But he's elevated it to unseen proportions. I mean he's basically spent his life juggling debt and haggling and continuously through delusional self belief propelling himself forward, which takes a special set of loose screws to be able to do.

 

[Deleted member 365]

I'm not a party loyalist at all, but I disagree with your take on Thriller.

This isn't about electric tanks, it's a straw man argument made by The Rapist to further engage the culture war so that come election time Trumptards are so riled up they are willing to not just attack the Capitol, but fellow Americans. This is definitely not about electric tanks. BTW is there a report somwewhere that the military is building electric tanks? But that's really beside the point.

The Thriller made his point right here and I think it's the crux of this conversation:

"2. Something both you and AL do a lot of and it’s dishonest, is remove context. This isn’t the first time Trump has rifted about electric tanks. Having non-tactical hybrid vehicles on base for transportation doesn’t sound like a bad idea. Yet, Trump exaggerates and lies, and makes it sound like our “woke military that loves LGBTs and blacks is now selling out our security for electric battle tanks while other less woke militaries continue to use good old fashioned manly fossil fuel powered tanks. Libs are weak impotent green queers!” There’s valuable MAGA context here that fuels his populism (fascism tbh). He’s not debating the merits of hybrid or electric powered vehicles. He’s using this as yet another point in his culture war. He’s creating a narrative that “MAGA strong people use fossil fuels while the other side uses dumb impotent wimpy unrealistic forms of energy. And I bet they also use vaccines, love gays, use wimpy shower heads, are black, etc.”

Exactly this.

No across the board you should. I’m not posting stupid **** I know is wrong like when the right loud mouths will post; example any time Biden pauses while walking and it looks like he is ******** his pants but he is not. It’s stupid, not genuine and taken out of context. Same like the other day when he walks away from the parachute guy, that wasn’t accurate at all.

This is my issue with the posts on here. Just because he rants about electric tanks or mixes up a name or says $2 mortgages; when you listen to the whole rant he is talking percentages. He used $ instead of %. Oh no, he used $ he is unfit.

It’s utter nonsense, just like the right when the bashed Obama when he incorrectly said Corpsman. Or when Biden used Tuskegee Airman instead of Tuskegee experiment. The mistakes happen all the time. So what.

Again, you’re removing context.

Gaffes? Sure we can understand and excuse those. But this is a man who lies and deceives about everything. From the trivial, like redrawing with sharpies the path of hurricanes and talking about nuking a hurricane to the most serious, asking Russia for election help while denying any business deals in Russia are being debated. To blackmailing Ukraine and gaslighting us about lying to deceive millions so our elections are undermined and he can stay in power. To taking classified documents, lying and attempting to deceive the FBI that those said documents had been returned. To concocting a sleazy scheme to hide illegal payments made to kill the news of his sleeping with a porn star. To telling the Secretary of State of Georgia to find enough votes to win and then lying about it.

Trump isn’t just committing gaffes. It’s part of his modus operandi to lie, cheat, deceive, and incite outrage and division so he can gain and/or retain power. He’s selling Americans on snake oil so they empower him to become a dictator. Specifically, at the most recent rally, he’s attempting to de-sensitive his base to the idea of mass deportation of undesired people, the pro gay and black weakness of our military, and the importance of establishing a strongman dictator to be our nation’s savior. Folks, this is a major threat to our democracy! These are rantings if a mad aspiring fascist dictator, attributes completely incompatible with a pluralistic society and a healthy multicultural democracy bound by a constitution.

We shouldn’t take these threats lightly. We shouldn’t remove the much needed context from Trump’s overall history and narrative just because he belongs to our perceived political tribe. We need to see the big picture, the white grievance narrative that Trump has been selling for nearly 10 years now.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Last post and I’m out for today, it would benefit some of you to ask “liberal” friends or Biden voters in your red states why they do so. They are (political) minorities in their states and communities. In my experience, they’re often voting against what the majority of their colleagues, friends, religious congregations, and families do. And sometimes they do so at the detriment of familial relationships. In the last 10 years we’ve read endless stories about trumpers who despite everything, continue to support their guy. I’ve yet to read a single piece on Biden voters in a diner who continue to support him. I wonder why?

It could do some of you good. There are some (not many) blue voters in utah. I’d recommend you ask them why and listen. Their answers could be enlightening.