Donald is about to go through some things...

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It isn't a conspiracy theory when they do it in front of dozens of cameras while brandishing assault weapons to make sure everyone can see how real this is.

So, now you think there is a difference between having an assault weapon and having a handgun?

 

[LogGrad98]

It isn't a conspiracy theory when they do it in front of dozens of cameras while brandishing assault weapons to make sure everyone can see how real this is.

Yeah that is also called "legal", but I know that crowd has a problem with how "legal" is defined, especially when they find themselves on the wrong end of the stick.

 

[LogGrad98]

By contrast, Trump could release the full contents of the warrant. He doesn't seem to want to. If it were just "overdue library books", why won't Trump release the warrant?

To me this is far more damning than the other issue where he is invoking his 5th amendment rights. The warrant has to be based on evidence and reasonable suspicion. It isn't something made up. And it is something that will be public record. He could simply release it without saying anything else to show how "phony" it all is. But if it isn't phony, then he definitely doesn't want it released.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Yeah that is also called "legal", but I know that crowd has a problem with how "legal" is defined, especially when they find themselves on the wrong end of the stick.

It probably is legal. Lawyers are very good at figure out ways to do things. That doesn't mean that I don't find it deeply concerning that the FBI is refusing to provide any information to oversight committees even behind closed doors. It isn't so much that they did it that concerns me. It is that they don't believe themselves to be answerable to anyone including congressional oversight committees who are legally entitled so that information.

 

[Deleted member 365]

So, now you think there is a difference between having an assault weapon and having a handgun?

I thought guns were just tools, like hammers and cars?

 

[Deleted member 365]

I wish they could take this fear and use it to empathize with the fear black/trans/homosexual people feel on a daily basis. Then perhaps they'd be a little less judgmental about protests for these groups. Instead, all I ever hear from conservatives is excuses for white violence and condemnation of less violent protests by BLM/trans/homosexual people.


Releasing the warrant would expose Trump to the accusation on the warrant, for which Trump has not been convicted. It would treating Trump with less dignity than it treats other suspects. I find it incredibly ironic that you insist the FBI prove they are not anti-Trump by taking actions that would be anit-Trump.

By contrast, Trump could release the full contents of the warrant. He doesn't seem to want to. If it were just "overdue library books", why won't Trump release the warrant?


Just like any other search warrant. Trump is being treated like any other citizen.


I was a critic of the FBI during the Clinton, Bush, and Obama administrations. You are new to the field. The FBI has always been (and still is) a bastion of conservatism and a ruthless enforcer of the status quo. You're just now experiencing what liberal groups have been going through for decades.

This is a really good post. The FBI has a long history of what you’re talking about. We really need to emphasize more history and talk about what life has been like in America for marginalized groups. There’s an entire history there that hasn’t been explored by many Americans. Unfortunately, such studies are being banned by conservatives. Too bad

 

[LogGrad98]

It probably is legal. Lawyers are very good at figure out ways to do things. That doesn't mean that I don't find it deeply concerning that the FBI is refusing to provide any information to oversight committees even behind closed doors. It isn't so much that they did it that concerns me. It is that they don't believe themselves to be answerable to anyone including congressional oversight committees who are legally entitled so that information.

Lawyers don't make things legal, they work on the periphery of legality for the most part, imo. It is the law that makes it legal, as determined by a judge.

 

[fishonjazz]

And don't forget the terrifying conspiracies!! Stealing our babies for sex orgies!! Bringing in millions of illegal voters who somehow got ballots and "mailed" them in, stealing our elections!!! And don't get me started on that ridiculous "round earth" ****!!

Afraid of electric vehicles, 5g, voting machines, blm, antifa, minorities, immigrants, bill gates, windmills, vaccines, masks, progress, etc. i could go on all day.

Maybe they should stop listening to fake news media. It seems to make them afraid.


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[Al-O-Meter]

By contrast, Trump could release the full contents of the warrant. He doesn't seem to want to. If it were just "overdue library books", why won't Trump release the warrant?

What makes you so sure Trump has a copy of the warrant? AFAIK, no one on Team Trump has confirmed they have a copy of the warrant and no one from the government has confirmed that anyone associated with Trump was given a copy of the warrant. Like ever other aspect of this raid, it is all speculation and unnamed sources who may or may not be real.


View: https://twitter.com/CGasparino/status/1557448137425534983

 

[Just Ted]

Well in trumper land he was the best president of all time so guaranteed they will take his side over law enforcement and believe that the fbi planted evidence. Then some of the trumpers will probably storm some government buikding and get arrested and then claim to be patriotic victims again….. after donating to the donald trump defund the democrats with badges (fbi) fund that donald uses for himself.


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You mean like the dems did in Arizona after r v w? It’s the cool thing to do now days.

 

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It is that they don't believe themselves to be answerable to anyone including congressional oversight committees who are legally entitled so that information.

Please name three other times the FBI reported to Congressional oversight committees on the contents of on-going investigations. For example, the raid on Rep. Henry Cueller, D-Laredo was earlier this year. I don't recall you pitching a hissy-fit over the FBI silence then.

Timing of FBI raid on Henry Cuellar’s home so close to election raises questions

The U.S. Department of Justice has made efforts in the past to avoid public investigations of officials that could sway elections.

www.texastribune.org

 

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What makes you so sure Trump has a copy of the warrant?

Someone would have delivered something to the Secret Service agents before the search. Maybe you think the Secret Service didn't give it to Trump?

On further searching, I found this:

Requests filed to unseal search warrant used to raid Trump estate

A U.S. magistrate judge in South Florida on Wednesday ordered the Department of Justice...

www.timesunion.com

Trump's attorneys have publicly stated that they were able to review the search warrant and that it indicated the seizures were based on potential offenses involving classified documents and the Presidential Records Act. Christina Bobb, one of Trump's attorneys who was at Mar-A-Lago when the search took place, said that she was shown a copy of the search warrant but did not receive a copy.

Trump's attorneys know what was in the warrant. Trump could have it revealed at any time.