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The trumpers who have screaming from the rooftops "trump can declassify whatever he wants and everything was declassified" are going to love this:

  • Rep. Jim Himes said Trump's claims of a "standing order" to declassify any documents he took are "utter baloney."
  • Himes said the declassification process is complex and can often take months.
That's great Fish. You found an article who uses as their source a politician from the opposition party who has his degree in Latin Studies. You are not centrist like Avery. He has critical thinking skills and can weigh evidence from both sides while you've turned into the new The Thriller, vomiting up pages of the most biased content you can find.

Although I know it will be completely lost on you, others may find what actual legal scholars with fields of expertise in this exact issue and a published Supreme Court cases concerning a President's absolute power to determine what is or is not classified for the purposes of national defense have to say on the topic:

"if Congress were to enact a statute seeking to limit the president’s authority to classify or declassify national security information, or to prohibit him from sharing certain kinds of information … it would raise serious separation of powers constitutional issues."
--Robert F. Turner, Associate Director of the University of Virginia's Center for National Security Law

"[The president is not] obliged to follow any procedures other than those that he himself has prescribed,and he can change those."
--Steven Aftergood, Director of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy

Let’s dispense with one easy rabbit hole that a lot of people are likely to go down this evening: the President did not “leak” classified information in violation of law. He is allowed to do what he did. If anyone other than the President disclosed codeword intelligence to the Russians in such fashion, he’d likely be facing a long prison term. But Nixon’s infamous comment that “when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal” is actually true about some things. Classified information is one of them. The nature of the system is that the President gets to disclose what he wants.

The reason is that the very purpose of the classification system is to protect information the President, usually through his subordinates, thinks sensitive. So the President determines the system of designating classified information through Executive Order, and he is entitled to depart from it at will. Currently, Executive Order 13526 governs national security information.

The Supreme Court has stated in Department of the Navy v. Egan that “[the President’s] authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security ... flows primarily from this Constitutional investment of power in the President and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant.” Because of his broad constitutional authority in this realm, the president can, at any time, either declassify information or decide whom to share it with.

In short, Trump did not violate any criminal law concerning the disclosure of classified information here.

--Jack Goldsmith, Susan Hennessey, Quinta Jurecic, Matthew Kahn, Benjamin Wittes, Elishe Julian Wittes (All are lawyers in the field of National Security)
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The answer to his question of what he can do to reduce the heat? The exact opposite of whatever the **** he has been doing for the last 6 years.
Sadly, It doesn’t sound like he took your advice.

View: https://twitter.com/politicussarah/status/1558834605201014786?s=21&t=ghLgm-Z3G99ko0fWSbsqug


The Inspector General said the FBI acted with ‘gross incompetence and negligence.’ I was fully vindicated in the Russia, Russia, Russia SCAM, the ‘No Collusion’ Mueller Investigation, Impeachment Hoax #1, Impeachment Hoax #2, and all else. NOW THEY RAID MY HOME, ban my lawyers and, without any witnesses allowed, break the lock that they asked us to install on the storage area that we showed them early on, which held papers that they could have had months ago for the asking, and without the ridiculous political grandstanding of a “break in” to a very storied, important, and high visibility place, just before the Midterm Elections…

The whole World was watching as the FBI rummaged through the house, including the former First Lady’s closets (and clothing!), alone and unchecked. They even demanded that the security cameras be turned off (we refused), but there was no way of knowing if what they took was legitimate, or was there a “plant?” This was, after all, the FBI!

Trump was even re-posting ridiculous accusations that are, again, irrelevant even if true. Here is one Trump “re-post” from some anonymous account named DaKine17 which – for all we know – is some Russian military intelligence analyst in the Moscow suburbs.

The FBI is a criminal RICO enterprise whose covert “sources and methods” include criminal acts, sedition, subversion of American laws and the Constitution, while lying and obfuscating their activity from Congress and the people of the United States. Congress seems ok with this arrangement as long as they’re able to claim plausible deniability or classified status.

Without having to repost the slop, Trump also noted a message that accused Presidents Obama and Biden of Seditious Conspiracy for “interfering in the 2016 election,” the one that Trump won.

In a post from someone named “We The Pepe” (An obvious Q-anon reference), there is a picture of Mike Pompeo’s tweet from the day of the search, without knowing the purpose or what was found, shaming DOJ and the FBI for reversing 250 years of history to “weaponize” the federal government’s law enforcement.
 
you literally repeated lies that had been refuted by mainstream media sources and the National Archives and you have nerve to accuse me of sucking on a certain politician or political party? Why did you repeat that bad information?
See this is where we disagree. Main stream media can refute all they want. The problem is most news is not news, it’s propaganda for its political cronies. Fox, CNN etc…. All have an agenda. You just don’t like what I believe to be true. The only truth is your truth and all other truths are invalid. Truth is obviously in the eye of the beholder. This is why we can’t discuss issues. We all have our own truth and we hate the truth of those who appose us. I don’t believe most people are truly looking for what is actually true…. Just the truth of their tribal right or left leaning politics. This is why some believe we are in a civil war already. It emboldens the crazies to be crazier. Leads to Jan 6 situations, riots, etc….
 
See this is where we disagree. Main stream media can refute all they want. The problem is most news is not news, it’s propaganda for its political cronies. Fox, CNN etc…. All have an agenda. You just don’t like what I believe to be true. The only truth is your truth and all other truths are invalid. Truth is obviously in the eye of the beholder. This is why we can’t discuss issues. We all have our own truth and we hate the truth of those who appose us. I don’t believe most people are truly looking for what is actually true…. Just the truth of their tribal right or left leaning politics. This is why some believe we are in a civil war already. It emboldens the crazies to be crazier. Leads to Jan 6 situations, riots, etc….
Um. Okay. So you reject objective truth. Alrighty. But that’s not my fault, that’s yours.

You didn’t need to rely on the mainstream media to learn that the lies you posted had been debunked. The National Archives literally sent out a statement refuting them. The statement was then magnified through social media and mainstream news outlets. But I guess if you reject objective truth, then the truth is whatever you want it to be? So in your head, the National Archives didn’t debunk the claim that Obama did exactly why Trump did, right? And then insinuate that I’m the reason why intelligent discussions are impossible?

So again, if you believe in what you say about truth in your post above, why claim that the inability to have a discussion with me is impossible? It seems that most people get their news from similar mainstream sources, like me. It’s you who has this outlier look on where to get news and what qualifies as truth, right? How does one have a discussion with someone who rejects that there exists objective truth?
 
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That's great Fish. You found an article who uses as their source a politician from the opposition party who has his degree in Latin Studies. You are not centrist like Avery. He has critical thinking skills and can weigh evidence from both sides while you've turned into the new The Thriller, vomiting up pages of the most biased content you can find.

Although I know it will be completely lost on you, others may find what actual legal scholars with fields of expertise in this exact issue and a published Supreme Court cases concerning a President's absolute power to determine what is or is not classified for the purposes of national defense have to say on the topic:

"if Congress were to enact a statute seeking to limit the president’s authority to classify or declassify national security information, or to prohibit him from sharing certain kinds of information … it would raise serious separation of powers constitutional issues."
--Robert F. Turner, Associate Director of the University of Virginia's Center for National Security Law

"[The president is not] obliged to follow any procedures other than those that he himself has prescribed,and he can change those."
--Steven Aftergood, Director of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy


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The cool thing about this is that once trump lost the elction and biden was sworn in trump lost this magical ability to classify and or declassify or even reclassify something and biden gained that magical power. So if trump says he declassified everything then he would have to say he did it before biden was sworn in. Even then biden could simply say he reclassified everything the minute he was sworn in and trump is back to having classified information again. Its all pretty silly. It’s a logical mess. The system is not meant to be deployed in such an arbitrary fashion.
But this is trump we are talking about so of course he would do things improperly.


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The ruling marks the third legal blow Trump has faced this week.


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Trump’s style of handling White House documents has been described by people who worked for him as slapdash and ad hoc, contributing to the debacle he now faces. He was known to rip up records that aides would have to retrieve from trash cans or from the floor and tape back together, according to former aides and multiple reports.

“It worried people all the time,” John Bolton, one of Trump’s former national security advisers, recalled in an interview.

“He’d have no awareness,” this person said. “When he was done with a piece of paper, he’d rip it up and throw it on the ground. That was his way of saying he’s done … [but] the narrative [that] he was ripping up documents like he was his own personal shredding machine is not accurate — he’d rip it in half, not usually into a thousand pieces.”

When John Kelly became White House chief of staff in the summer of 2017, he said he would remind Trump about the importance of abiding by the Presidential Records Act. A newcomer to public office who was accustomed to running his business his own way, Trump chafed under the regimen, Kelly said.

“When I got there,” said Kelly, a retired four-star Marine Corps general, the staff secretary was “taking stuff out of the trash cans and taping it back together. That continued while I was there.”

Trump seemed especially fond of his correspondence from Kim Jong Un. Bolton, in an interview, mentioned a letter that Trump had gotten from the North Korean leader and said that “John Kelly took it from him and we put it back in the right place.” (Kelly confirmed the account). “We gave Trump a copy of it back. He had a habit of taking stuff and you’d never see it again.”

Trump seemed especially fond of his correspondence from Kim. Bolton, in an interview, mentioned a letter that Trump had gotten from the North Korean leader and said that “John Kelly took it from him and we put it back in the right place.” (Kelly confirmed the account). “We gave Trump a copy of it back. He had a habit of taking stuff and you’d never see it again.”


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The cool thing about this is that once trump lost the elction and biden was sworn in trump lost this magical ability to classify and or declassify or even reclassify something and biden gained that magical power. So if trump says he declassified everything then he would have to say he did it before biden was sworn in. Even then biden could simply say he reclassified everything the minute he was sworn in and trump is back to having classified information again. Its all pretty silly. It’s a logical mess. The system is not meant to be deployed in such an arbitrary fashion.
But this is trump we are talking about so of course he would do things improperly.


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The office is bigger than you, me, or Trump. As soon as Jan 20 hit, Trump lost his ability to classify and de-classify things. The ability to do so was granted to his office by the American people. But then the America people decided that someone else should occupy that office. President Biden currently holds this office and he told will lose this ability and privilege either in Jan 2025 or January 2029.

Even right now, we’re getting stuck in the weeds. Whether it was classified or de-classified isn’t the issue. Trump didn’t follow the process to keep those documents. Documents deemed by our government to be detrimental to our national security. Sorry, but the national security of this country is bigger than trump.

And that’s the fundamental difference between us and Trumpers. For most of America, the country’s well-being is more important than the man, Trump. But for 30-40 percent of this authoritarian cult that lives vicariously through Trump, Trump is more important than the well-being of the country. The country exists to serve Trump.
 
The cool thing about this is that once trump lost the elction and biden was sworn in trump lost this magical ability to classify and or declassify or even reclassify something and biden gained that magical power. So if trump says he declassified everything then he would have to say he did it before biden was sworn in. Even then biden could simply say he reclassified everything the minute he was sworn in and trump is back to having classified information again. Its all pretty silly. It’s a logical mess.
There is no mess at all. You are trying to make a mess to distract from how straight forward this actually is.

Trump said he declassified all of what he ordered sent to Mar-o-Lago when he was President and he had absolute power to have done exactly that. There is a witness who said he was there when Trump declassified those documents but even if there wasn't a witness our justice system gives the presumption of innocence to the accused. It is up to law enforcement to prove Trump did not declassify the material which is essentially impossible to prove. Biden could have reclassified everything but Biden would have to prove that he did because Trump, as the accused, still has the presumption of innocence putting the burden of proof on the accusers. The bigger problem with that idea is Biden claiming ignorance over all of it which wouldn't be the case if he had ordered it all reclassified.

The unassailable facts are:

1`- The US President has absolute power to declassify anything at any time.
2 - The accused has the presumption of innocence in our justice system.

There are at least a half dozen other problems with what the FBI did but if you can't explain your way around the above two facts, and you cannot, there is no need to go beyond that.
 
You mean like the docs taken by Obama, Bush, Clinton etc….
They don't exist. All the documents were turned over to the National Archives by these former Presidents.

Really do some research as to what former presidents have taken from office and the number of unredacted and redacted files they possess.
I suggest you do some research on who handles those documents.
 
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