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Rubashov said:
Taiwan's position as an assured American protectorate has everything to do with the importance or more importantly declining importance of the Taiwanese economy to the west. Taiwan's dominance (near monopoly) of semiconductor manufacturing is declining with this Taiwan is less important to the west. Taiwan's security position will be more linked to that than anything else.
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I think it has more to do with maintaining the post WWII order where invasion and conquest by major powers has been vanquished than protecting access to semiconductors or enriching defense contractors. If Russia and China can invade neighbors at will, it sends the world back to the pre-WWII era, which is extremely dangerous.
 
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Mongoose said:
There’s more of that nuanced political discussion found here where you lie and put words in my mouth. I never said Russia should have a pass. I don’t blame the US for all the problems in the world, but I do agree with you the US has been a bad actor in world affairs MANY times! I think policing the entire world it’s a tough situation to be in. I think it’s an incredibly tough gig and one I think the US should get the hell out of. Especially as it relates to places that according to our own policy we have no business being in.
I mean scale it down and look at all the problems the local police are blamed for and how often they are in no win situations. Im not saying we don’t need local police or that they aren’t serving an important role, because I think they are, but I do think we could scale it way back with the militarization of local police departments especially if those moneys and resources can be better utilized in more productive programs that benefit everyday Americans.
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Yeah I don't see value in engaging with you. You call me a liar? GFYS.
 
For the record, I repeated my understanding of what Mongoose said followed by a question mark. That was me basically saying "is this what you meant?" He called me a liar in response.

He continues to not say what he means or lay out what he's even arguing about in a clear way.
 
Gameface said:
Yeah I don't see value in engaging with you. You call me a liar? GFYS.
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There’s a simple remedy for that. I promise I won’t call you a liar as long as you don’t lie about things I said or in this case things I never said.

So far my theory about folks that hate trump because he’s in their shadow is holding up pretty good too. Plenty of lies being directed at me by quite a few different people here.
 
Mongoose said:
There’s a simple remedy for that. I promise I won’t call you a liar as long as you don’t lie about things I said or in this case things I never said.

So far my theory about folks that hate trump because he’s in their shadow is holding up pretty good too. Plenty of lies being directed at me by quite a few different people here.
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I'm not even talking about Trump you nitwit. Like I said, I posted my understanding of what you said followed by a question mark. That was me asking if I was understanding you correctly. I also said in the last sentence that you "seem" to be saying... I used the word "seem" again to indicate how I was interpreting what you said and essentially asking for clarification. A lie is different than a misunderstanding or a mistake. Calling people liars is hostile and unproductive, yet you've done it over and over to many people when they were absolutely not lying, all while crying about the incivility of the forum.

I'm not paying anymore attention to you.
 
Gameface said:
For the record, I repeated my understanding of what Mongoose said followed by a question mark. That was me basically saying "is this what you meant?" He called me a liar in response.

He continues to not say what he means or lay out what he's even arguing about in a clear way.
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I don’t see the need to put words in my mouth. The discussion doesn’t seem to be over your head but maybe I’m wrong. if you need more explanation I think we can clarify in ways that don’t require you putting words in my mouth.
 
Mongoose said:
I don’t see the need to put words in my mouth. The discussion doesn’t seem to be over your head but maybe I’m wrong. if you need more explanation I think we can clarify in ways that don’t require you putting words in my mouth.
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Did you just say I put words in your mouth?

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Do you see that this is me asking what you said? I mean does that make sense to you. I'm not responding to you anymore.
 
Gameface said:
Did you just say I put words in your mouth?

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Do you see that this is me asking what you said? I mean does that make sense to you. I'm not responding to you anymore.
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Actually I’m willing to admit I should have replied differently. I conflated your response along with thrillers response that I believe the US is to blame for all the worlds problems.
You must admit it does seem a bit suspicious that I propose some questions about war with China yet everyone only wants to press me for my views on Ukraine. Much of which I’ve already made in another thread. Can we not learn a few things from each other about the situation in Taiwan?
This is said to be a place for political discussion but it still feels very much like a partisan echo chamber.
 
Mongoose said:
I’m attacked and questioned about every single claim I make all the while being called a trump supporter or maga etc. I’ve not been allowed my opinions without being bullied and and you all know it.
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You made this claim:

Mongoose said:
So I’ve heard that those people who are obsessed with Trump are obsessed because they see trump in their own shadow and that is why they hate him so much
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In response, I said:

Red said:
That’s interesting, might be some truth to that I suppose. People do often project their own faults onto others as well, kind of a similar dynamic.
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You said you were “attacked and questioned about every single claim”. How does my reply constitute an attack of your claim?

Mongoose said:
So far my theory about folks that hate trump because he’s in their shadow is holding up pretty good too
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Really? I said it was “interesting” and “may be some truth” to that. But have you provided any real evidence that ties that claim to specific posters in this thread? If it’s holding up, can you name a specific poster here, and describe how Trump is really their shadow? I did not attack you. I did not attack your claim. I expressed some interest in it. Now, can you offer evidence for your claim?
 
Red said:
You made this claim:



In response, I said:


You said you were “attacked and questioned about every single claim”. How does my reply constitute an attack of your claim?


Really? I said it was “interesting” and “may be some truth” to that. But have you provided any real evidence that ties that claim to specific posters in this thread? If it’s holding up, can you name a specific poster here, and describe how Trump is really their shadow? I did not attack you. I did not attack your claim. I expressed some interest in it. Now, can you offer evidence for your claim?
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I think you could probably look at just about any response thriller has ever replied to me with especially when I first started posting here. It’s usually filled with insults and condescension. He’s been more vague recently but still very trump like in his replies. Telling me to go back to my hardware job or whatever. Very petty and angry which is also trump like. I dunno- that’s just off the top of my head.
 
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