Donald is about to go through some things...

[Sardines]

They aren't. They are defending themselves against cases initiated by democrat operatives but if it were up Trump's people or the GOP, we'd all be concentrated on the 2024 election. Democrats don't want to do that because Joe Biden is awful. They can't stand on their own merits so they're running a memberberries campaign. Member January 6? Member Stormy Daniels?

Member Trump being a treasonous criminal?

Yep. I remember.

 

[str8line]

It really doesn't matter what the political right says. What the political left says they say will be all that is remembered. The winner gets to write the history and the fix is in. A right wing politician will not win another nationwide race in your lifetime no matter how bad his opponent is.

Such a snowflake comment. You're losing it dude.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Such a snowflake comment. You're losing it dude.

I live where this system was invented. I've seen first hand how effective it is. Laugh all you want but with the changes to election procedures, no politician on the political right will win a nationwide election.

 

[Sardines]

I live where this system was invented. I've seen first hand how effective it is. Laugh all you want but with the changes to election procedures, no politician on the political right will win a nationwide election.

There's only one nationwide election.

 

[fishonjazz]

There's only one nationwide election.

And a Republican literally just won it very recently.
Then he did literally the worst job as president in history and lost the next one. Which makes total sense. Then he tried to stay in power and overturn the election he lost. Which he lost because of how bad he sucked.
He should lose again this November.

However, if Haley were running against Biden then I am certain that she would win.



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[Deleted member 365]

And a Republican literally just won it very recently.
Then he did literally the worst job as president in history and lost the next one. Which makes total sense. Then he tried to stay in power and overturn the election he lost. Which he lost because of how bad he sucked.
He should lose again this November.

However, if Haley were running against Biden then I am certain that she would win.



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Yep.

Trump however, encapsulates the grievance that the GOP base feels. So losing actually feeds their anger (and feels better) than winning.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Couldn’t this be considered election interference? Felon Don doing his thing


View: https://x.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1798025776157377003?s=46

 

[Sardines]

Couldn’t this be considered election interference? Felon Don doing his thing


View: https://x.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1798025776157377003?s=46

Taking one right out of the Iran/Contra playbook.

 

[JimLes]

Laugh all you want but with the changes to election procedures, no politician on the political right will win a nationwide election.

As they shouldn't. In the last 35 years, only one republican presidential candidate actually won more votes than the democratic one. You don't think the will of the majority of people should matter?

 

[Sardines]

As they shouldn't. In the last 35 years, only one republican presidential candidate actually won more votes than the democratic one. You don't think the will of the majority of people should matter?

The reason AI-O-Meter thinks this horrible change will result in no Republican get elected is because it means more people will have their vote counted.

What I would say is that political parties need to meet the voters where they are if they want to be relevant. For instance, the Guns and Dope party probably appeals strongly to some voters, but they will never win a national election (aka the Presidential election). Is that unfair? No! They don't have a broad enough appeal to be relevant. The system shouldn't be arranged to provide equal results to every party, it should be arranged so that the maximum amount of voters is represented in the results.

The Republican party has sought over and over again in recent years to rule, not to represent. Abortion rights is a prime example. Even within their own party total bans or almost total bans on abortion is not the favored position of the majority of their voters, yet, they have tried hard to get the most aggressive bans possible despite the will of the people. This has included trying to pass laws to remove the potential for the people in their state to change the state constitution in order to protect abortion access. They wanted the voters to vote to lose their power over their own government. The Republicans sought to rule the people in total disregard for what those people wanted.

Both major parties have evolved over time. So much so that things that were the defining characteristics of each party 100 years ago are now the defining characteristics of the other party. So it is possible that in 25 years the Democratic party will be most popular amongst rural voters and the Republican party will be most popular in urban areas and amongst multi-ethnic people. None of the current base of a party is set in stone. So these rules that AI-O-Meter thinks solidifies the Democratic party forever only holds true if the Republican party never makes any attempt to appeal to a wider segment of the U.S. population. That's on the Republican party.

TL ; DR
If national politics was an online game the chat would tell the Republican party

"git gud"

 

[Al-O-Meter]

As they shouldn't. In the last 35 years, only one republican presidential candidate actually won more votes than the democratic one. You don't think the will of the majority of people should matter?

No. We've known for centuries that democracy is a dumb idea always doomed to violent failure. That is why it was limited in the United States government to only the Legislative Branch. It is good for the people to have a voice but really, really, truly awful for the people to have the ultimate say.

For almost 250 years, the system has been maintained because nearly everyone believed there could be a chance things go their way, maybe not this election, maybe not next election, but it was a possibility. So long as there was hope, even the losing side would maintain the system to keep that hope alive. People are about to realize there is no hope, no chance, ever again of things going their way and I am deeply concerned they won't have any interest in maintaining the system. They'll want something different.

 

[Sardines]

No. We've known for centuries that democracy is a dumb idea always doomed to violent failure. That is why it was limited in the United States government to only the Legislative Branch. It is good for the people to have a voice but really, really, truly awful for the people to have the ultimate say.

For almost 250 years, the system has been maintained because nearly everyone believed there could be a chance things go their way, maybe not this election, maybe not next election, but it was a possibility. So long as there was hope, even the losing side would maintain the system to keep that hope alive. People are about to realize there is no hope, no chance, ever again of things going their way and I am deeply concerned they won't have any interest in maintaining the system. They'll want something different.

Maybe those people can take some tips on how to cope with that from the people who have previously been living that reality for 250 years.

You make it sound like we need those people and the only way to keep them is to give them undue privilege to control this system for their advantage and to the disadvantage of the majority.

I'm not scared of MAGA types rising up. I don't think we need them, I think they are lucky as **** to be in the position they are, even if it isn't as terrific for them as it was a few decades ago.