Donald is about to go through some things...

[Rubashov]

Just an observation. A few weeks ago, our resident Saint @LogGrad98 reminded us to put the trolls on ignore and don’t read their posts, no matter how tempting. I’ve done that and this board has dramatically improved since. Trolls don’t want to actually discuss anything. They just want to bitch and gain attention. Maybe some of our trolls are just angry that they’re not getting the engagement they used to get? Just an observation. Thank you @LogGrad98 for dramatically improving my life.

Dude Ive started putting the MAGA crowd on ignore its almost as good as free beer. Also really clears up the space for civilised adult discussion which is nice too

 

[fishonjazz]

Panicking Trump Tries Yet Another Get-Out-of-Debate-Free Card

Donald Trump seems pretty desperate to avoid debating Joe Biden.

www.yahoo.com

Donald Trump’s campaign is hard at work manufacturing a reason for him to skip Thursday’s presidential debate, and his latest tactic is the most ridiculous one yet.

Trump and his former White House doctor Representative Ronny Jackson, who reportedly kept the former president’s administration “awash in speed,” have repeatedly suggested that President Joe Biden will take performance-enhancing drugs before the debate, as part of their crusade to undermine the event and give Trump a get-out-of-jail-free card.

Trump posted a letter to Truth Social on Monday that Jackson supposedly sent to the White House demanding Biden submit to a drug test before the debate.

“I demand that you submit to a clinically validated drug test in order to reassure the American people that you are mentally fit to serve as President and not relying on performance enhancing drugs to help you with your debate performance,” Jackson wrote. The pill-pushing Texas Republican demanded that the results of the president’s drug test be made public.

All of this concocted drama around drug use, as well as claims that CNN will host a biased debate, positively reek of desperation to get the former president out of Thursday night’s presidential showdown. It’s not surprising, as Trump is not suited to actual debate: His speech is often erratic and incoherent, and he’s prone to going off on tangents. Plus, Trump has historically taken a hit in the polls after debating with Democrats, in 2016, and again in 2020. While Trump loves to hype up a crowd, he’s just not that convincing when he’s sharing the stage.

It also appears that Jackson may soon want to focus on problems of his own. The House Ethics Committee announced Monday that it will review a report from a congressional watchdog that discovered “substantial reason” to believe that Jackson had converted thousands of dollars of campaign money for his own personal use.

Jackson was demoted by the U.S. Navy in 2022 after the Pentagon inspector general found that he regularly drank on the job, berated his subordinates, and acted inappropriately. Last year, Jackson was filmed unleashing a profanity-laced tirade on a Department of Public Safety officer.

 

[silesian]

You say you’ll take Thomas Jefferson’s opinion. Prove it. Show me that you are capable of taking Thomas Jefferson’s opinion.

I keep going back to the example of popular laws being struck down as unconstitutional because it is an easy proof that the highest level of power/rule/kratos in our system of government is NOT the popular will of the people.

Every time, or nearly every time, that a stupid law is ruled unconstitutional, it is on the grounds that it violates this or that amendment, with the kings of overturning stupid laws being the original ten amendments in the Bill of Rights. Do you know who it was who initially pushed so hard for those anti-democratic clauses to be enshrined as core to our government? I’ll give you a hint; It wasn’t James Madison who is considered the author of the US Constitution and the author of the Bill of Rights.

The reason it was so easy for me to tell your cited quotes were fake is because I know it was Thomas MutherEffing Jefferson who spearheaded the effort to codify those bulwarks set to protect individual liberties from democracy.

https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/historic-document-library/detail/thomas-jefferson-and-james-madison-correspondence-on-a-bill-of-rights.

"Within the First Congress, James Madison emerged as the leader of the effort to pass a Bill of Rights. In many ways, the “Father of the U.S. Constitution” was an unlikely “Father of the Bill of Rights.” Like many leading Federalists, Madison did not believe that the Constitution needed a Bill of Rights. First, Madison argued that one was unnecessary. In his view, a Bill of Rights would serve as a mere parchment barrier—providing no real protections for the American people. Madison argued that to limit abuses of power, the key was constitutional structure, not a Bill of Rights—limit the powers of the national government, divide those powers between three branches, and give those branches the power to check one another. Second, Madison argued that a Bill of Rights might even be dangerous. For Madison, the American people’s rights were so numerous that to write them down would be to limit them. In this series of letters, Madison’s friend Thomas Jefferson—abroad in France—urged Madison to support a Bill of Rights. Eventually, Madison did just that—leading the push for a Bill of Rights in the First Congress."

Nothing here is germaine to anything I've written, so I assume you are just spouting off for therapy. Hope you feel better.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Nothing here is germaine to anything I've written, so I assume you are just spouting off for therapy. Hope you feel better.

Literally choked on my drink when I read this!

Well done. Great post

 

[fishonjazz]

Fact check: Trump says George Washington ‘probably didn’t’ own slaves. Washington did

Former President Donald Trump delivered another litany of false claims during two speeches on Saturday. And he expressed an opinion on American history that is clearly contradicted by the facts.

www.yahoo.com

Trump said, “How about George Washington high school? ‘We want the name removed from that high school.’ They don’t know why. You know, they thought he had slaves. Actually I think he probably didn’t.’”
George Washington owned slaves. We know this by his own hand. He kept ledgers on everyone he enslaved.
Washington inherited 10 slaves from his father at age 11. The Mount Vernon website notes that “as a young man, Washington purchased dozens of enslaved people from estate sales and in private transactions” – and that the first US president also rented slaves from others, inherited them from siblings, and enslaved the children who were born to slaves at Mount Vernon. When he married his wife Martha, the website notes, he also gained control of “a large number” of enslaved people from the estate of her first husband.
The list of 317 enslaved people at Mount Vernon at the time of his death included 41 people rented from other plantations and 153 people from Martha’s first husband’s estate.

- Trump claimed Democrats rigged the 2020 presidential election, his usual debunked lie.

- Trump claimed “every legal scholar” wanted Roe v. Wade overturned and the power to set abortion policy returned to individual states, which is not true.

- Trump claimed “just about all the Democrats” also wanted Roe overturned and abortion policy set by states, though Democrats overwhelmingly supported the preservation of Roe.

- Trump claimed “there are states that allow” the execution of babies after birth, though that is illegal in every state.
- Trump claimed that the US has record inflation, though the current inflation rate, 3.3% in May, is nowhere near the US record (23.7% in 1920) or even the 40-year high (9.1%) that was hit in June 2022.

- Trump claimed the price of bacon has increased 100% or more under Biden, though the Biden-era increase is actually about 17% as of May.

- Trump claimed Biden was the person who indicted him in the New York criminal case in which he was convicted on 34 felony counts, though a grand jury of ordinary citizens indicted him and the prosecution was led by a local district attorney who does not report to the federal government.

- Trump claimed the global prison population is “way down” under Biden because foreign leaders are emptying their detention facilities to send people to the US as migrants. But the global prison population is actually up since 2021, and there is no proof of Trump’s repeated claim about foreign leaders’ actions.

- Trump claimed crime in Venezuela is down 72%, though the limited available numbers show a much smaller decline of about 26%.

- Trump claimed crime in the US is “so much up,” though preliminary statistics show US crime dropped significantly in 2023 and again in the first quarter of 2024.

- Trump claimed he has been indicted more than notorious gangster Al Capone, though Capone was actually indicted more than Trump.

- Trump claimed China paid the entire cost of his tariffs on imported Chinese goods and that “the American people didn’t pay for it at all,” though study after study has found that Americans paid the overwhelming majority of the cost of the tariffs.

- Trump claimed the Biden administration is trying to require Army tanks to be all-electric, though the military’s move toward electric vehicles does not include tanks.


Trumps lips were moving so............. tons of lies.

 

[str8line]

He's scared:

https://www.axios.com/2024/06/25/trump-debate-cnn-jake-tapper

Former President Trump's campaign is openly brawling with CNN ahead of Thursday's blockbuster presidential debate, warning of a "three against one" ambush that can only favor President Biden.
Why it matters: Trump and his allies are "working the refs" by attacking them — seeking to set expectations early by accusing CNN moderators Jake Tapper and Dana Bash of anti-Trump bias.

• CNN anchor Kasie Hunt abruptly ended an interview with Trump campaign press secretary Karoline Leavitt Monday morning after Leavitt repeatedly tried to raise Tapper's past critical coverage.
• The reaction from MAGA world was swift and deafening, prompting CNN to issue a statement defending Tapper and Bash amid the flood of pro-Trump criticism.

What they're saying: "This proved our point that President Trump will not be treated fairly on Thursday. Yet he is still willing to go into this 3-1 fight to bring his winning message to the American people, and he will win," Leavitt tweeted.
Zoom in: Thursday's prime-time showdown marks the first time in decades that a single TV network — and not the nonpartisan Commission on Presidential Debates — will organize a general election debate.

• The moderators and their role in live fact-checking are under intense scrutiny given Trump's long-running war with CNN and false claims about the 2020 election.
• CNN political director David Chalian told the New York Times that Tapper and Bash would focus on "facilitating the debate between these candidates, not being a participant in that debate."

The big picture: Trump's own rhetoric has fluctuated wildly when it comes to expectations for Thursday night's affair.

• After calling on Biden to debate him "anywhere, anytime, any place" — and saying he'd be "willing to take anybody" as moderator — Trump complained Saturday that the debate format is "like death."

• The former president also suggested last week that Biden would be a "worthy debater," raising expectations after months of claiming his rival could barely walk or form sentences.
• Trump then called on Monday for Biden to take a drug test ahead of the debate, as his allies promoted the baseless conspiracy theory that the president took stimulants for his fiery State of the Union address.

Between the lines: Trump's playbook is well-worn by now: Claim the odds are "rigged" against him — in debates, in elections and in courtrooms — and then ride the outrage if he loses.
The bottom line: Suggesting Democrats could replace Biden as the nominee if he performs poorly, Trump quipped earlier this month: "I'll make sure he stays. I'll lose the debate on purpose, maybe I'll do something like that."

 

[str8line]

Really scared:

Ahead of debate, Trump escalates calls for Biden drug tests, accusations of CNN bias

In 2020, he made similar baseless claims Biden used performance-enhancing drugs.

abcnews.go.com

With only days to go until he faces off against President Joe Biden in Thursday's CNN debate, former President Donald Trump is escalating his demands that Biden take a pre-debate drug test, something the Biden campaign rejected as "desperate."
That's in addition to a growing list of complaints Trump and his campaign are making about CNN, accusing the network and its moderators of being biased.
"DRUG TEST FOR CROOKED JOE BIDEN??? I WOULD, ALSO, IMMEDIATELY AGREE TO ONE!!!" Trump wrote on his social media platform Monday afternoon and later fundraising off his call.
Trump has called for Biden to be drug-tested as early as April, saying he would debate Biden "anytime" and "anywhere" if the president takes a drug test. He has escalated such attacks since he and Biden agreed to debate in May, citing Biden's strong showing in his State of the Union address in March.

Joe Biden, 2020 Democratic presidential nominee, right, and U.S. President Donald Trump speak duri...Show more
Chip Somodevilla/Bloomberg via Getty Images, FILE
At his recent rally in Philadelphia on Saturday, Trump continued to push the baseless claim that if Biden did well on Thursday night, it would be because he was taking performance-enhancing drugs.


"So, a little before debate time, he gets a shot in the *** -- they want to strengthen him up so he comes out, he'll come out, okay, I say he'll come out all jacked up, right? All jacked up," Trump told the crowd.

Former President and Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump attends a campaign event in P...Show more
Tom Brenner/Reuters
The Biden campaign quickly dismissed Trump's demand, saying he would not submit to a drug test.
"Donald Trump is so scared of being held accountable for his toxic agenda of attacking reproductive freedom and cutting Social Security that he and his allies are resorting to desperate, obviously false lies," a Biden campaign spokesman said.
"Trump's going to talk trash like that all the time because that's what he does. The other day you may remember he was trying to question our president's mental acuity and he could not remember the name of his own doctor so tell President Trump, bring whatever he's got -- President Biden will be standing there, ready for him," Biden campaign adviser Mitch Landrieu said on CNN. (Trump had referred to his White House physician Ronny Jackson as Ronny Johnson at a campaign rally.)
Calling for drug tests has been a tactic Trump has used repeatedly for years. He previously called on Biden to take a drug test before their 2020 debates, suggesting without evidence that Biden must have been on "performance-enhancing drugs" during that year's Democratic primary. In 2016, Trump made similar unsubstantiated claims about Hillary Clinton.

At the same time, Trump and his campaign also are continuing to level accusations that CNN will favor President Biden on Thursday, a charge fueled by Trump's national press secretary, Karoline Leavitt, during an appearance on CNN that was cut short Mond



On "CNN This Morning," anchor Kasie Hunt attempted to get Leavitt to answer questions about the Trump campaign's debate preparations and expectations.
Leavitt, instead, tried to attack CNN and debate moderator Jake Tapper.
She was quickly cut off twice by Hunt who said she wouldn't give Leavitt a platform to criticize her colleagues. After Leavitt continued her attacks against the CNN debate moderators, she was dropped from the segment.
"You come on my show, you respect my colleagues. Period. I don't care what side of the aisle you stand on, as my track record clearly shows," Hunt posted on X after the show wrapped.





"You cut off my microphone for bringing up the debate moderator's history of anti-Trump lies," Leavitt responded on X. "This proved our point that President Trump will not be treated fairly on Thursday. Yet he is still willing to go into this 3-1 fight to bring his winning message to the American people, and he will win."
In a statement to ABC News, a CNN spokesperson called Jake Tapper and Dana Bash "well respected veteran journalists" with extensive experience moderating major political debates.
"There are no two people better equipped to co-moderate a substantial and fact-based discussion and we look forward to the debate on June 27 in Atlanta."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bid...e-chance-change-stubbornly/story?id=111279743
On the campaign trail, Trump also has complained about the debate being hosted by CNN as well as about the rules he and his campaign agreed to, including not having an audience and the mics being muted when it's not the candidate's turn speaking.
"You know, I agreed to the debates. They came up to me and they said, 'We're going to do a debate. We'd like to challenge you to a debate.' But they didn't want me to accept. So, they gave me something that I couldn't accept," said Trump at a rally in Racine, Wisconsin, last week.


"They thought I would say, no, I don't want to do because CNN is so, you know, it's fake news. But I think maybe they'll be honest," Trump said. "I think fake Tapper would really help himself if it were honest. But you'll see immediately if it is or not."

 

[LogGrad98]

He's scared:

https://www.axios.com/2024/06/25/trump-debate-cnn-jake-tapper

Former President Trump's campaign is openly brawling with CNN ahead of Thursday's blockbuster presidential debate, warning of a "three against one" ambush that can only favor President Biden.
Why it matters: Trump and his allies are "working the refs" by attacking them — seeking to set expectations early by accusing CNN moderators Jake Tapper and Dana Bash of anti-Trump bias.

• CNN anchor Kasie Hunt abruptly ended an interview with Trump campaign press secretary Karoline Leavitt Monday morning after Leavitt repeatedly tried to raise Tapper's past critical coverage.
• The reaction from MAGA world was swift and deafening, prompting CNN to issue a statement defending Tapper and Bash amid the flood of pro-Trump criticism.

What they're saying: "This proved our point that President Trump will not be treated fairly on Thursday. Yet he is still willing to go into this 3-1 fight to bring his winning message to the American people, and he will win," Leavitt tweeted.
Zoom in: Thursday's prime-time showdown marks the first time in decades that a single TV network — and not the nonpartisan Commission on Presidential Debates — will organize a general election debate.

• The moderators and their role in live fact-checking are under intense scrutiny given Trump's long-running war with CNN and false claims about the 2020 election.
• CNN political director David Chalian told the New York Times that Tapper and Bash would focus on "facilitating the debate between these candidates, not being a participant in that debate."

The big picture: Trump's own rhetoric has fluctuated wildly when it comes to expectations for Thursday night's affair.

• After calling on Biden to debate him "anywhere, anytime, any place" — and saying he'd be "willing to take anybody" as moderator — Trump complained Saturday that the debate format is "like death."

• The former president also suggested last week that Biden would be a "worthy debater," raising expectations after months of claiming his rival could barely walk or form sentences.
• Trump then called on Monday for Biden to take a drug test ahead of the debate, as his allies promoted the baseless conspiracy theory that the president took stimulants for his fiery State of the Union address.

Between the lines: Trump's playbook is well-worn by now: Claim the odds are "rigged" against him — in debates, in elections and in courtrooms — and then ride the outrage if he loses.
The bottom line: Suggesting Democrats could replace Biden as the nominee if he performs poorly, Trump quipped earlier this month: "I'll make sure he stays. I'll lose the debate on purpose, maybe I'll do something like that."

They better keep the temperature way way down on the stage so the orange snowflake doesn't melt.

 

[fishonjazz]

Trump's playbook is well-worn by now: Claim the odds are "rigged" against him — in debates, in elections and in courtrooms — and then ride the outrage if he loses.

This

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[fishonjazz]

They better keep the temperature way way down on the stage so the orange snowflake doesn't melt.

Of course then he would say that they rigged the debate by making it so cold for him.
Like he complained about in the courtroom during his trial

Always the victim

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[fishonjazz]

Newly released photos from FBI's Mar-a-Lago search show Trump keepsakes alongside sensitive records

Photos included as exhibits in a court filing from special counsel Jack Smith show former President Donald Trump's keepsakes alongside sensitive government records.

www.cbsnews.com

The photos taken by Walt Nauta, an aide to Trump, in late December 2021 show boxes in a storage room at Mar-a-Lago that had fallen over, their contents spilled onto the floor.

Prosecutors said that one of those fallen boxes, identified in court filings as A-35, contained a classified record that the FBI recovered during its August 2022 search. A photo taken by the FBI during the search shows stacks of boxes, including A-35, in the storage room at Mar-a-Lago, roughly eight months after Nauta sent a text message that included the images of the fallen boxes.

Smith said in his filing that the classified record in box A-35 underlies Count 8 of the indictment, which describes the document as dated Oct. 4, 2019, and concerns "military capabilities of a foreign country." The record has a "SECRET//REL TO USA, FVEY" classification marking, according to the indictment. FVEY is the Five Eyes intelligence alliance comprised of Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the U.S. and the United Kingdom.



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[fishonjazz]

Trump's conviction in New York extends losing streak with jurors to 0-42 in recent cases

Former President Donald Trump and his company have been unable to win over a single juror, out of 42 total, in recent criminal and civil trials.

www.cbsnews.com

Trump and his company have been unable to win over a single juror, out of 42 total, in recent criminal and civil trials.

"It's a very remarkable thing. In all these jurors, he didn't succeed in getting one, not one person," said criminal defense attorney Robert McWhirter.

The juries — two in state criminal trials and two in federal civil trials — have unanimously and quickly ruled against Trump.

"I'm sure there are people on those juries who voted for him, just by a statistical probability. There had to have been a certain percentage who actually voted for Donald Trump, and yet he could not succeed in getting one of them to go his way," said McWhirter.

Valerie Hans, a professor at Cornell Law School and one of the nation's leading scholars on the jury system, said jurors typically follow the evidence and tend to reach consensus based on what they're presented.

"Most of the research says when you have substantial evidence favoring guilt, or supporting acquittal, the verdict follows the evidence," Hans said.

Hans said jury selection was "super careful." Justice Juan Merchan excused people as soon as they indicated they couldn't be impartial.

"Huge numbers of people said they couldn't be fair to Trump, and they were booted off without more discussion," Hans said, adding that Merchan then allowed lawyers "more latitude than is typical" when questioning those who remained.

Judgments in federal civil trials still need to be unanimous. Across the four trials, Trump's lawyers called just six total witnesses. They opted instead, in all of the cases, to focus on cross-examining prosecutors' and plaintiffs' witnesses, in an effort to cast doubt on the cases against Trump.

It didn't work.


Trump has so so so many losses in court dating back decades. That's not even counting all the cases that he brought on his own that were thrown out.

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