Agreed.
My crystal ball says that Cruz will get the nomination at the convention after Trump fails to win on the first ballot.
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Agreed.
My crystal ball says that Cruz will get the nomination at the convention after Trump fails to win on the first ballot.
Do the Republicans really think Cruz can beat either Hillary or Sanders? Does anyone think that?
Joe Bagadonuts
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It's amazing what a messed up system the parties have designed to select their nominees. Different rules in virtually every state, Democratic Super Delegates who can essentially "correct" the vote so that the popular choice gets eliminated, and after all this chaos either party could potentially change their rules just prior to the conventions. I'm becoming a fan of two chaotic brokered conventions. At least the entertainment factor would be high.
It is kind of funny that the least liked guy in the party is the one who is now supposed to save the election.
Oh yeah, he's the second least liked guy in the party now.
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So ****ing stupid.
I hate politics. **** like this is why I have never voted before this year.
Joe Bagadonuts
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You'd think they'd be embarrassed to call a process this blatantly corrupt democratic, but apparently not. Did you hear the audio where Hillary was recently asked if the Super Delegate thing was unfair to Bernie? She said, "No. He knew the rules when he decided to run." I kid you not.
The bottom line is that the Dems have invented a way to avoid the drama of a brokered convention. Hillary is your winner as long as she's not indicted. If she is not indicted it is just further proof that the system is corrupt. If you or I had done what she did our career in government would undoubtedly be history, and rightly so.
candrew
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Ummm, in regards to a pure democratic process, Hillary has about 2.5 million more votes than Bernie in the all the primaries combined. She has more votes than any candidate in either party and has a wider lead margin than Trump over Cruz.
By candidate (as of 3/19)
Clinton 8,668,136
Trump 7,548,429
Sanders 6,131,951
Cruz 5,484,494
Rubio 3,394,134
Kasich 2,725,327
Carson 677,307
Bush 249,894
O'Malley 94,692
While I agree with you in terms of sentiment regarding superdelegates the cartoon you posted is a complete mis-representation of the facts and you're making it sound like Hillary is stealing the nomination....not true.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Newsflash: Cartoons are rarely an accurate representation of reality. That said, the SuperDelegate thing would not exist if the Dems weren't concerned about the possibility of the vote getting out of their control. The fact that a socialist could even be in the running shows what a deeply flawed candidate that Hillary is. Fortunately for her (and unfortunately for us citizens) she's running against a field of deeply flawed candidates. Our system seems almost as if it has been designed to convince good people not to run.
No... no it's pretty accurate. HRC may or may not have more total votes than Sanders right now. Probably does, given the south(even though you're almost 3 weeks out of date), but we're not talking she has double the super delegate numbers.. or even triple. She has what, 469 super delegates to Sanders' 31?
Removing super delegates(who have not voted yet), you have Hillary with a 1280-1030 advantage in a race to 2383, with almost 2000 more votes to go. That's what... 55/45 split in actual delegates; actual people voting. Where superdelegates are not holden to a base of constituents, it's a 93-7 advantage.
Does that put it in more of a perspective to you?