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Down On the Farm


Handlogten's Heros

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Jared Butler had a good game down with the stars... had 26/9 on good shooting splits... 3 steals and 2 blocks. He is definitely learning how to play with other good players by being the James Harden of the G League... Jazz is soooooo smart.
 


homeytennis

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In this game Fitts stunk. His stats weren't awful, but not good things happened again when he was on the floor. He sort of reminds me of Eric Griffin and we know how that turned out. Butler and Hughes looked good. Stars lost by 8 after leading at the half.
 

Ferguson_Mellochill

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In this game Fitts stunk. His stats weren't awful, but not good things happened again when he was on the floor. He sort of reminds me of Eric Griffin and we know how that turned out. Butler and Hughes looked good. Stars lost by 8 after leading at the half.

Hughes keeps having bad misses and bad turnovers. He was invisible in the 1st half.

Butler had a really strong start to the game, but had a couple plays late where he missed or got blocked at the rim, resulting in a bucket the other way. That basically ended the game. Butler is also shooting around 30% (or just under) from 3pt.

Maybe I'm biased towards Fitts, but I thought he was okay. He played decent defense, had a game-high 9 rebs and had some nice finishes. He just missed a couple 3s--one was a last-second flip at the shotclock buzzer, and another he was off balance on a fast break. Nonetheless, he needs to shoot better from 3pt if he wants playing time in a real game.
 

homeytennis

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Hughes keeps having bad misses and bad turnovers. He was invisible in the 1st half.

Butler had a really strong start to the game, but had a couple plays late where he missed or got blocked at the rim, resulting in a bucket the other way. That basically ended the game. Butler is also shooting around 30% (or just under) from 3pt.

Maybe I'm biased towards Fitts, but I thought he was okay. He played decent defense, had a game-high 9 rebs and had some nice finishes. He just missed a couple 3s--one was a last-second flip at the shotclock buzzer, and another he was off balance on a fast break. Nonetheless, he needs to shoot better from 3pt if he wants playing time in a real game.
I think if he wants to get to the show he needs to dominate at this level and I will give him the cavaet that most of the Stars players are awful and it is hard to get your rhythm if you are surrounded by stiffs.
 

Ferguson_Mellochill

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I think if he wants to get to the show he needs to dominate at this level and I will give him the cavaet that most of the Stars players are awful and it is hard to get your rhythm if you are surrounded by stiffs.

Fitts is averaging 18/6 with 2 steals and a block. He's shooting 48% from the field and 82% from the line. The problem is that he's shooting under 30% from 3pt (as is Butler so far). I don't think Fitts is going to dominate in the G-league. For one thing, the Stars run their plays for Butler and Hughes more than Fitts. As you mentioned, guys on the Stars aren't very good, and they can be pretty selfish as well. (For example, Alston is taking 12 shot attempts per game despite shooting 28% FG and 19% 3PT.)

The appeal of Fitts is that he's an NBA athlete, he's a good finisher on the break, and he can create for himself from mid-range as well as knock down 3s. He's also a good enough ball mover to fit in Quin's system. I could see him playing at the SF spot and fitting in.
 

homeytennis

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For a point of reference the Jazz have had two players make first team all GLeague: The Minivan and Brantley. Niang averaged 22 ppg for the Stars and Brantley had similar stats to what Fitts has now. I think you can argue that Brantley had better players around him than Fitts does given W-L stats. Here is a list of players that put up similar stats to Fitts with the Stars: Naz, Cavanaugh, Nate Wolters, Eric Griffin, Erick McCree, Isiah Cousins, and Dee Bost. The Mini-van was the only one to break through. Fitts needs to up his game or he will join the discard list.
 

Ferguson_Mellochill

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For a point of reference the Jazz have had two players make first team all GLeague: The Minivan and Brantley. Niang averaged 22 ppg for the Stars and Brantley had similar stats to what Fitts has now. I think you can argue that Brantley had better players around him than Fitts does given W-L stats. Here is a list of players that put up similar stats to Fitts with the Stars: Naz, Cavanaugh, Nate Wolters, Eric Griffin, Erick McCree, Isiah Cousins, and Dee Bost. The Mini-van was the only one to break through. Fitts needs to up his game or he will join the discard list.

Fitts has a more natural position and skillset on the wing than Brantley had. I still think Brantley could have worked if he focused on being a Jae Crowder-like 3D guy and stopped trying to create off the bounce. In any case, there was no roster spot for Brantley after the Jazz brought in Gay and Paschall. I think Fitts is a 3.

This is probably Fitts' best game. He looked like the best player on the floor here.

 
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SoberasHotRod

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Fitts has a more natural position and skillset on the wing than Brantley had. I still think Brantley could have worked if he focused on being a Jae Crowder-like 3D guy and stopped trying to create off the bounce. In any case, there was no roster spot for Brantley after the Jazz brought in Gay and Paschall. I think Fitts is a 3.

This is probably Fitts' best game. He looked like the best player on the floor here.


I didn't know they played stars games at vivent? Crazy they have a bouncy slide there for the games, I'm guessing it's not there for jazz games.
 

homeytennis

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Fitts has a more natural position and skillset on the wing than Brantley had. I still think Brantley could have worked if he focused on being a Jae Crowder-like 3D guy and stopped trying to create off the bounce. In any case, there was no roster spot for Brantley after the Jazz brought in Gay and Paschall. I think Fitts is a 3.

This is probably Fitts' best game. He looked like the best player on the floor here.


That was impressive.
 

Handlogten's Heros

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Watched the JB highlights and it kinda shows why I hate the G League for development. If they think he is learning to play without the ball and with better teammates they are crazy. He scored mostly handling the ball and creating. It helps to feel comfortable in the schemes and develop but i think for him to be a good player he needs to:

1- Either be given the ball a little bit with the varsity squad.
2- Learn how to play without the ball by playing a bit with the varsity squad.
3 - They could just stop selling us on the narrative that he needs to learn to play with others.... etc. - Because down on the farm he is on ball and running all the actions... and maybe that is his final destination.

Fitts the same way... he's a three and D guy doing with a lot more volume in the G league than he will get in the pros. Not saying he needs to play but just that the G League may be over-rated for some of these guys. Call it Rayjon Tucker/ Morris Almond Syndrome.
 

homeytennis

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Watched the JB highlights and it kinda shows why I hate the G League for development. If they think he is learning to play without the ball and with better teammates they are crazy. He scored mostly handling the ball and creating. It helps to feel comfortable in the schemes and develop but i think for him to be a good player he needs to:

1- Either be given the ball a little bit with the varsity squad.
2- Learn how to play without the ball by playing a bit with the varsity squad.
3 - They could just stop selling us on the narrative that he needs to learn to play with others.... etc. - Because down on the farm he is on ball and running all the actions... and maybe that is his final destination.

Fitts the same way... he's a three and D guy doing with a lot more volume in the G league than he will get in the pros. Not saying he needs to play but just that the G League may be over-rated for some of these guys. Call it Rayjon Tucker/ Morris Almond Syndrome.
Don't forget Jack Cooley, Bryce Cotton, Kevin Murphy, Justin Holiday, NWG, Trevon Bluiett and Kevin Kruger as GLeague legends.
 

Saint Cy of JFC

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I think the G-League is great for development. Are they developing in their NBA roles to a tee? No, but it's more about just getting them run and confidence, not to mention experience at something that is closer to NBA style than college (important for rookies).

But Im less salty about this stuff because I love Trent Forrest and think he has more potential than others see.
 

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