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“But Thrill! Don’t you think you’re being a little rude towards these types of people? Why don’t democrats aim for more moderate solutions so they don’t alienate Trumpers?”
 
Trump's social media advisor definitely focused on what's important right now



Trump himself


Neither Brown nor Whaley made any negative remarks about Trump's hospital visit. It's all just made up, so Trump can make himself a victim in this.



Can a Trump supporter please explain why he is lying about this?


Unbelievable.

Meanwhile, in El Paso:



Sigh

Is NRA money really worth all of this destruction?
 
Obviously, gun reform and ownership laws are going to be a huge issue with these incidents. As an independent voter, listening to the back and forth rhetoric from both sides is disgusting.

All I want to see is realistic proposals that SOLVE the problem WITHOUT infringing on peoples constitutional rights. I believe that the 2nd amendment is worth protecting, but that there’s certainly room for stronger background checks and reasonable (bipartisan) restrictions on who can own a gun and what type.

So far, all I’m hearing is the same partisan ******** from both sides. . .

Until this.
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/08/07/op...olence-yang/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

This actually feels like a new idea aimed at SOLVING some of these problems.

I don’t think it would be unconstitutional, and it adds a level of personal accountability and responsibility to gun ownership that I haven’t seen advocated elsewhere.

Red Flag laws are great, but must also have strong due process procedures in place to prevent abuse by authorities. Stronger background checks and wait times should be universally supported. I’d like to see stricter enforcement of illegal gun possession - make the punishment for that crime count for something.
 
I wouldn't be too surprised if they push back the release on this, although I could see a Hollywood exec giddy at the prospect of "cashing in" instead.
Sorry, but I have zero respect for someone who advocates gun violence in their music, movies and games then decry and demonize legal gun owners and call for stricter laws. I don’t give a damn if it’s clear that their work is fiction. It’s hypocritical. I have a ton more respect for studios, actors, directors, artists and producers who don’t make those types of films speaking out about it.
 
Has there been any other specific mass shooting targeting Latinos specifically?

Also, this isn’t limited to just Latinos. See the cnn article I posted. Everyone is scared and feeling targeted.

To your question, I don't know. Would have to research it. I'm sure you're not telling me Hispanics have no cause to be alarmed. If you are, I don't share that opinion, given how often Trump has been "otherizing" the people coming into our country from south of the border. I think the fact that, like other demagogues in history, he is willing to find scapegoats for those people in a society feeling anger and stress in the face of social, demographic, and cultural change, scapegoats upon whom they can then focus their anger and fears, combined with an actual attack aimed at those "others", such as happened in El Paso, is likely to be enough to raise alarm among the targeted groups. Not sure how it could be otherwise.

I have not read as yet the CNN article you posted. Certainly, there is, once again, since it has risen its ugly head repeatedly in Western history, a rise in anti-Semitism. And yes, I would be wary at any very crowded venue at this point, it's probably wise to avoid such venues. But then I don't get out much to crowded places at all, and I am not feeling noticeably scared, or feeling targeted. In fact, I don't feel that way at all. My ancestors were very unwelcomed in this country, but that was a long time ago. I'll read the article, but, if "everyone...is feeling targeted", I guess I'm an exception.
 
To your question, I don't know. Would have to research it. I'm sure you're not telling me Hispanics have no cause to be alarmed. If you are, I don't share that opinion, given how often Trump has been "otherizing" the people coming into our country from south of the border. I think the fact that, like other demagogues in history, he is willing to find scapegoats for those people in a society feeling anger and stress in the face of social, demographic, and cultural change, scapegoats upon whom they can then focus their anger and fears, combined with an actual attack aimed at those "others", such as happened in El Paso, is likely to be enough to raise alarm among the targeted groups. Not sure how it could be otherwise.

I have not read as yet the CNN article you posted. Certainly, there is, once again, since it has risen its ugly head repeatedly in Western history, a rise in anti-Semitism. And yes, I would be wary at any very crowded venue at this point, it's probably wise to avoid such venues. But then I don't get out much to crowded places at all, and I am not feeling noticeably scared, or feeling targeted. In fact, I don't feel that way at all. My ancestors were very unwelcomed in this country, but that was a long time ago. I'll read the article, but, if "everyone...is feeling targeted", I guess I'm an exception.

No, I’m not saying Latinos are not or should not be scared. I am saying so are the rest of us because, holy ****! I don’t get the ethnicity angle obviously but I do get being nervous and scared.

My CNN article has a video of people fleeing Times Square because they thought motorcycle backfires were gun shots. And a 911 call over a shooting in Walmart except there was no shooting, a sign fell over. Stuff like that.

People are scared, and I don’t blame them. My point was that right now it’s everyone. Not just Latinos. We’re all dying.
 
Terrorism is terrorism. It’s not a left or right issue and deserves to be stamped out without mercy.

I completely disagree with the notion that Antifa is not a terrorist ideology. They’re no less despicable than the KKK, white nationalism, neo natzism and fundamental Islamist. All should be designated as domestic Terrorism here in the US. If you advocate for violence against a race, gender, sexuality or political opponent - you are a terrorist.

If you call out one, you should be willing to call them all out.
 
No, I’m not saying Latinos are not or should be scared. I am saying so are the rest of us because holy ****. I don’t get the ethnicity angle obviously but I do get being nervous and scared.

Well, yeah, I get being wary of crowds, of being anyplace that might be a tempting target, especially since it could be any venue or any place at all. And, obviously, false alarms in the past day or two bear out your observation. Not easy to live with the threat of terror that can happen anywhere at anytime.

Edit: yes, I had read the CNN piece you posted. Yes, that's to be expected given the circumstances. You hear anything that sounds anything like a gunshot or explosion, the reaction will be to run away from that sound. And it may be that way from now on.
 
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Obviously, gun reform and ownership laws are going to be a huge issue with these incidents. As an independent voter, listening to the back and forth rhetoric from both sides is disgusting.

All I want to see is realistic proposals that SOLVE the problem WITHOUT infringing on peoples constitutional rights. I believe that the 2nd amendment is worth protecting, but that there’s certainly room for stronger background checks and reasonable (bipartisan) restrictions on who can own a gun and what type.

So far, all I’m hearing is the same partisan ******** from both sides. . .

Until this.
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/08/07/op...olence-yang/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

This actually feels like a new idea aimed at SOLVING some of these problems.

I don’t think it would be unconstitutional, and it adds a level of personal accountability and responsibility to gun ownership that I haven’t seen advocated elsewhere.

Red Flag laws are great, but must also have strong due process procedures in place to prevent abuse by authorities. Stronger background checks and wait times should be universally supported. I’d like to see stricter enforcement of illegal gun possession - make the punishment for that crime count for something.
I could get behind that.
 
Obviously, gun reform and ownership laws are going to be a huge issue with these incidents. As an independent voter, listening to the back and forth rhetoric from both sides is disgusting.

All I want to see is realistic proposals that SOLVE the problem WITHOUT infringing on peoples constitutional rights. I believe that the 2nd amendment is worth protecting, but that there’s certainly room for stronger background checks and reasonable (bipartisan) restrictions on who can own a gun and what type.

So far, all I’m hearing is the same partisan ******** from both sides. . .

Until this.
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/08/07/op...olence-yang/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

This actually feels like a new idea aimed at SOLVING some of these problems.

I don’t think it would be unconstitutional, and it adds a level of personal accountability and responsibility to gun ownership that I haven’t seen advocated elsewhere.

Red Flag laws are great, but must also have strong due process procedures in place to prevent abuse by authorities. Stronger background checks and wait times should be universally supported. I’d like to see stricter enforcement of illegal gun possession - make the punishment for that crime count for something.
I like it a lot.
I also think it would reduce the number of gun owners. Which is a good thing imo.



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