El Paso Shooting

[fishonjazz]

Terrorism is terrorism. It’s not a left or right issue and deserves to be stamped out without mercy.

I completely disagree with the notion that Antifa is not a terrorist ideology. They’re no less despicable than the KKK, white nationalism, neo natzism and fundamental Islamist. All should be designated as domestic Terrorism here in the US. If you advocate for violence against a race, gender, sexuality or political opponent - you are a terrorist.

If you call out one, you should be willing to call them all out.

Well from what I have read, no one (zero people) has died at the hands of antifa.

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[Coach Ellis]

Well from what I have read, no one (zero people) has died at the hands of antifa.

I don’t think killing someone is the standard that needs to be allowed for an organization or group to be labeled terrorists.

They’ve hurt people and their rhetoric and ideology is dangerous. Regardless of why they’re assembling. The moment you start targeting your political opponents for violence, you’re a terrorist. Antifa certainly qualifies.

If you want to condemn white nationalist, proud boys and the KKK for the disgusting ideological beliefs they have; I think you have to do the same for groups like Antifa as well. They don’t cover their faces because it looks cool. They are looking to hurt people and people will be seriously injured of killed if it’s left unchecked. We should be willing to call it out BEFORE it gets to that point.

If you choose to excuse their behavior, you’re enabling political violence, free speech suppression and the doxxing of private citizens - including ICE. It’s either all acceptable, or it’s all bad. We can agree to disagree, but I’ll respect your opinion less if you’re willing to call out only those that you oppose politically.

 

[fishonjazz]

I don’t think killing someone is the standard that needs to be allowed for an organization or group to be labeled terrorists.

They’ve hurt people and their rhetoric and ideology is dangerous. Regardless of why they’re assembling. The moment you start targeting your political opponents for violence, you’re a terrorist. Antifa certainly qualifies.

If you want to condemn white nationalist, proud boys and the KKK for the disgusting ideological beliefs they have; I think you have to do the same for groups like Antifa as well. They don’t cover their faces because it looks cool. They are looking to hurt people and people will be seriously injured of killed if it’s left unchecked. We should be willing to call it out BEFORE it gets to that point.

If you choose to excuse their behavior, you’re enabling political violence, free speech suppression and the doxxing of private citizens - including ICE. It’s either all acceptable, or it’s all bad. We can agree to disagree, but I’ll respect your opinion less if you’re willing to call out only those that you oppose politically.

Sounds like Trump is a terrorist too by these guidelines. Hell you could probably say the Democratic and republican parties are terrorist organizations too

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[fishonjazz]

I don’t think killing someone is the standard that needs to be allowed for an organization or group to be labeled terrorists.

They’ve hurt people and their rhetoric and ideology is dangerous. Regardless of why they’re assembling. The moment you start targeting your political opponents for violence, you’re a terrorist. Antifa certainly qualifies.

If you want to condemn white nationalist, proud boys and the KKK for the disgusting ideological beliefs they have; I think you have to do the same for groups like Antifa as well. They don’t cover their faces because it looks cool. They are looking to hurt people and people will be seriously injured of killed if it’s left unchecked. We should be willing to call it out BEFORE it gets to that point.

If you choose to excuse their behavior, you’re enabling political violence, free speech suppression and the doxxing of private citizens - including ICE. It’s either all acceptable, or it’s all bad. We can agree to disagree, but I’ll respect your opinion less if you’re willing to call out only those that you oppose politically.

Btw I don't oppose the KKK or white nationalists politically. I don't even really know what their politics are. Are they for or against abortion? I have no clue. Are they for or against gun control? Idk. I oppose them cause they want to kill and hurt people due to the color of their skin.
Does antifa want to hurt and kill people due to the color of their skin? Not as far as I know.
I don't think looking to hurt people is the only thing that would make a group terrorist. Why they want to hurt people means more to me. Like if there is a group that wants to hurt rapists and pedophiles then I down with them.
Then you have the US military who look to hurt people as well and I don't consider soldiers to be terrorists (maybe I should?).
Cops look to hurt people too. I happen to think the people they look to hurt usually deserve it though.
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[LogGrad98]

Sounds like Trump is a terrorist too by these guidelines. Hell you could probably say the Democratic and republican parties are terrorist organizations too

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I think they are pretty damn scary.

 

[str8line]

Trump boasting about "amazing" visits to Texas and Ohio. Getting in tweet-tiffs with mayors. etc., his administration boasting about being received like a "rockstar". Trump tweeted he received, "tremendous enthusiasm and even love."

 

[Zombie]

Trump boasting about "amazing" visits to Texas and Ohio for his photo op. Getting in tweet-tiffs with mayors. etc., his administration boasting about being received like a "rockstar". A How can a single person support this arsehole?

Some are greedy assholes in it for the tax cuts. Others have been taken in by a cult of personality, and enjoy sticking it to the libs. There's a fair share of racist "deplorables" thrown in for good measure.

 

[Red]

Trump boasting about "amazing" visits to Texas and Ohio. Getting in tweet-tiffs with mayors. etc., his administration boasting about being received like a "rockstar". Trump tweeted he received, "tremendous enthusiasm and even love."

Taking time to make it about him. And to make himself a victim, no less!! Mr. Trump, how low will you go...

 

[Heathme]

Nine Themes in El Paso Shooter’s Manifesto the Media Ignored to Blame Trump

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media...s-manifesto-the-media-ignored-to-blame-trump/

 

[Zombie]

Sorry, but I have zero respect for someone who advocates gun violence in their music, movies and games then decry and demonize legal gun owners and call for stricter laws. I don’t give a damn if it’s clear that their work is fiction. It’s hypocritical. I have a ton more respect for studios, actors, directors, artists and producers who don’t make those types of films speaking out about it.

Obviously I haven't seen the film, and am not interested in seeing it, but I don't think it's "advocating" gun violence. In fact from what I can gather it's a satire. So, kind of doing the opposite really.

 

[fishonjazz]

Taking time to make it about him. And to make himself a victim, no less!! Mr. Trump, how low will you go...

Trump is king snowflake


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[Red]

Trump is king snowflake


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It's important to him to maintain a victim image. He wants his base energized at all times to exact revenge on his political opponents. It's important to him to keep that victim status in the forefront of his cult's hive mind. It's the fact that he felt the need to do this on the day where he is acting out the role of comforter-in-chief that is another piece of evidence that his "love of country" is completely fake. It always has been fake in his case.

That he would take the time to emphasize his victim status in a setting where the dead and injured are the actual victims is still another advertisement of his lack of character, honesty, and empathy. And that willingness to do this, at this time, demonstrates that he reduces any and every national event in terms of how he can manipulate such events to his own advantage. It's an innate selfishness that he really cannot mask, because "the comforter-in-chief" is the phony mask in his case, and the narcissist is his true face.

It's not a crime to put oneself first, nor a crime for a politician to serve his self interest, but the timing in this instance is still another reminder that we elevated the least among us to the highest office.