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JazzyFresh said:
Who attacked who first here? Be honest.
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How is providing public information of donors considered an attack? Unless trump thinks that knowing such public information will hurt either himself or the donors? Couldn’t that information also incentivize trump supporters and lead to an increase in business and donations?

Furthermore, don’t you find your own arguments to be disingenuous? I mean, your side had no problem listing Clinton's top donors. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander, right? We even have it on tape when your president asked Russia to find hacked (stolen) private emails. Were you clutching your pearls then too?

As far as who attacked who first, cmon, why can’t we hold Donald to a higher standard than a three year old? He’s the president. If he can’t block out the distractions for a few hours an focus, maybe he shouldn’t be president? Imagine if President Obama had reacted to every single partisan attack. The man couldn’t even eat a hot dog or wear a tan suit without being ridiculed by your side.

So I find this “outrage” to be pretty disingenuous, as most outrages from the right are. Boy, their victim card sure is racking up a ton of charges lately. Sheesh
 
str8line said:
If you minimize who Trump is or defend him in any way, you will get called out. That's not hate.
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I live in Trump territory. A vast majority of these people are good people that just want to work, raise a family, and mostly be left alone. You are the one being hateful all due to a difference of ideology. I think a majority of us Americans are good people. I don't hate a single soul for who they vote for. That is the definition of a bigot, word for word.
 
JazzyFresh said:
I live in Trump territory. A vast majority of these people are good people that just want to work, raise a family, and mostly be left alone. You are the one being hateful all due to a difference of ideology. I think a majority of us Americans are good people. I don't hate a single soul for who they vote for. That is the definition of a bigot, word for word.
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The vast majority of Germans were good people too. Look what happened.
 
I think equating trump to Hitler is a bit much. I do think he shares similar tactics and personality defects with him though.

But there’s a lot of room between America in 2019 and Nazi germany in 1945. Trump doesn’t have to murder 6 million Jews to prove he’s a terrible president damaging American democracy and must be removed from office.
  • Look at what he’s already doing to the EPA. Wrecked it by placing lobbyists in key positions.
  • Look at what he’s already doing to the DOJ. Barr acts as his fixer and the FBI is now afraid to investigate and prosecute white supremacy. How long will it take for this corruption to be dismantled?
  • Look at what he’s doing to the intelligence community. He eliminates those who provide him with accurate information and promotes those who give him what he wants to hear, regardless of their accuracy.
  • Look at what he’s doing to the public discourse of the nation. The White House has become a dysfunctional middle school. He widens differences and hammers our nerves. He gets off by angering 65 percent of the population. Look at what he’s doing to the free press in this country. To the GOP! He’s making people doubt facts and truth and has turned the GOP into his lapdog.
  • Look at what he’s doing to our federal reserve and economy. Politicizing the federal reserve so it cuts rates for the president while placing the nation's Long term economy in unstable ground. How many trillions must be rack up before it’s too much?
  • Look at what he’s doing to the international community. How many more allies must he offend? How many budding democracies, like Ukraine, must be abandon? How many more fruitless photo ops must be give to the world’s worst dictators? How many more nuclear treaties must he scrap? How many more secret deals must he give to corrupt oligarchs and crown princes?
  • How many more people must die on the border before we declare their treatment to be wrong? How many more must be tortured before we declare their treatment to be wrong? How many more children must be molested by agents before we declare their treatment to be wrong? I want a specific number. Can any trumper on here give me a specific number?
He doesn’t have to murder millions to be cruel, evil, and wrong.
 
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The Thriller said:
I think equating trump to Hitler is a bit much. I do think he shares similar tactics and personality defects with him though.

But there’s a lot of room between America in 2019 and Nazi germany in 1945. Trump doesn’t have to murder 6 million Jews to prove he’s a terrible president damaging American democracy and must be removed from office.

Look at what he’s already doing to the EPA. Wrecked it by placing lobbyists in key positions.

Look at what he’s already doing to the DOJ. Barr acts as his fixer and the FBI is now afraid to investigate and prosecute white supremacy.

Look at what he’s doing to the intelligence community. He eliminates those who provide him with accurate information and promotes those who give him what he wants to hear, regardless of their accuracy.

Look at what he’s doing to the public discourse of the nation. The White House has become a dysfunctional middle school. He widens differences and hammers our nerves. He gets off by angering 65 percent of the population.

Look at what he’s doing to our federal reserve and economy. Politicizing the federal reserve so it cuts rates for the president while placing the nation's Long term economy in unstable ground. How many trillions must be rack up before it’s too much?

Look at what he’s doing to the international community. How many more allies must he offend? How many budding democracies, like Ukraine, must be abandon? How many more photo ops must be give to the world’s worst dictators? How many more secret deals must he give to corrupt oligarchs and crown princes?

How many more people must die on the border before we declare their treatment to be wrong? How many more must be tortured before we declare their treatment to be wrong? How many more children must be molested by agents before we declare their treatment to be wrong? I want a specific number. Can any trumper on here give me a specific number?

He doesn’t have to murder millions to be cruel, evil, and wrong.
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I'm comparing Trump to Hitler of 1936, three years into his reign. The writing was on the wall in 1936 but no-one could have predicted the slaughter of innocents. Trump already has children in cages and being ripped away from their parents. He also already intoned expanding Presidential term limits and warned of civil uprising should he lose the election. Trump is a dictator, Hitler was a dictator. He mused about killing millions in Afghanistan. We don't know yet where this ends. Maybe it ends in nuclear annihilation, who knows?
 
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str8line said:
The vast majority of Germans were good people too. Look what happened.
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Lol yeah I'm not going to respond to such uneducated ignorance anymore. Putting you on ignore for a bit. Come find me when these people are putting people in gas chambers, experimenting, raping, and starving people. I'll gladly join your side in the fight if that happend. Thankfully we have the 2nd to protect ourselves against that very thing.
 
str8line said:
I'm comparing Trump to Hitler of 1936, three years into his reign. The writing was on the wall in 1936 but no-one could have predicted the slaughter of innocents. Trump already has children in cages and being ripped away from their parents. He also already intoned expanding Presidential term limits and warned of civil uprising should he lose the election. Trump is a dictator, Hitler was a dictator. He mused about killing millions in Afghanistan. We don't know yet where this ends. Maybe it ends in nuclear annihilation, who knows?
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Fair enough.

Once a president shows his disregard for life, law, and decency, as trump has done, anything is possible. We don’t know how bad this is going to get but we know we’re headed down a dark road of fascism. It never ends well.

Not to shift gears too much, but this is what one of my favorite authors had to say:

The White House and the Republicans only recognize as true dangers those events or moments that threaten their party's hold on power, or which might discomfit the president and drive him to his phone in a desperate attempt to relieve his sense of narcissistic injury by firing someone. Warnings from the U.S. intelligence community about foreign attacks, or the sight of a Walmart soaked in blood, are merely public relations problems. A stray comment from one of the Fox and Friends morning lightweights, however, is a crisis that requires immediate executive action — or tweets.

Democrats are today's realists
To a foreign observer, American policy might not seem to have changed all that much over the years of alternating rule by Democrats and Republicans. All of them continued to agree on the basics of capitalism and constitutional order, whatever their other disagreements. But Republicans always staked out the hardest ground on national security, a principled position rooted in the natural conservative pessimism about the dangers of an anarchic world.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...-shootings-foreign-threats-column/1952671001/
 
JazzyFresh said:
Lol yeah I'm not going to respond to such uneducated ignorance anymore. Putting you on ignore for a bit. Come find me when these people are putting people in gas chambers, experimenting, raping, and starving people. I'll gladly join your side in the fight if that happend. Thankfully we have the 2nd to protect ourselves against that very thing.
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Actually, The second amendment is used to kill yourselves off. You’re far more likely to have someone in your household shot when you own a gun than those who don’t own one. And the #1 method of suicide by white males is by gun. Is it really keeping you safe?

Facts matter
 
str8line said:
Stoked, Hitler was in power for 12 years. Kristallnacht didn't happen until 5 years into his reign. We haven't seen it all from Trump, but we've seen enough to know he is the same as every other strongman in history.
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You mean he didn’t just appear and have a massive army? No ****.

This isn’t 1930s Germany, trump isn’t hitler and Jazzyfresh isn’t a Nazi.
 
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