Election Count Issues

[babe]

Donald Trump, after talking to Bill Clinton, next went to the NYC headquarters of the CFR(Council of Foreign Relations) when preparing to announce his run for the Presidency. How do I know these things? People talk. People who actually know. A little even made it into the news, before the comics starting ripping on him.

I know the CFR very well.

Some who know less would boldly claim that Trump is "an outsider", and that explains all the rancor.

No, it's not that. It's his ideas, the whole MAGA thing.

His important opponents believe his policies will doom the world, the earth, mankind because his program is all wrong. It's an emergency operation to save us all that requires his second term to be ruthlessly denied.

But here, from the CFR's own publication, is an article basically outlining my concerns about how our corruption can hurt us.

The Strategies Are Foreign, but the Corruption Is American | Foreign Affairs

Damn, they won't let me paste the link. Google it, it's in the current issue.

 

[Gameface]

Donald Trump, after talking to Bill Clinton, next went to the NYC headquarters of the CFR(Council of Foreign Relations) when preparing to announce his run for the Presidency. How do I know these things? People talk. People who actually know. A little even made it into the news, before the comics starting ripping on him.

I know the CFR very well.

Some who know less would boldly claim that Trump is "an outsider", and that explains all the rancor.

No, it's not that. It's his ideas, the whole MAGA thing.

His important opponents believe his policies will doom the world, the earth, mankind because his program is all wrong. It's an emergency operation to save us all that requires his second term to be ruthlessly denied.

But here, from the CFR's own publication, is an article basically outlining my concerns about how our corruption can hurt us.

The Strategies Are Foreign, but the Corruption Is American | Foreign Affairs

Damn, they won't let me paste the link. Google it, it's in the current issue.

your link posted just fine...

 

[babe]

babe, just to make you possibly feel better, I got an infraction (well deserved, but worth it) for my post in response to you on the previous page.

The fact that you say incredibly stupid **** like "re-post Jason's handout talking points" is something you should honestly deal with in some sort of therapy. I know, pot/kettle or whatever, but if you actually think there's some universe where Jason is sending active posters "talking points" you're so far off the mark here and probably in life that you might be the next idiot raiding a pizza parlor looking for a sex trafficking ring.

I have no idea what Jason does. But with all the crap that's said about me, I have a virtual license to say anything.

FWIW, I'm not a serious poster in here. Well, not always. I thought that was a good joke.

Jason did ask me why I don't just buzz off, if I think the UN isn't a good thing in the world today.

The UN does not have elective offices. Countries send delegates to conferences who draft magnificent plans for everybody, and then they try to get countries to follow the plans. In reality, it's "fascist" in the strict sense of the Latin term, government determined entirely by "connections" between industry and politicians. That's what not having significant elections does,.

Hitler's hatred for the Jews centered perhaps on the Jewish bankers who sided with England in WWI, and made a deal about Palestine, and denied the Germans the funds they needed. I spent my childhood reading "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by William Shirer, and every book on the extermination camps I could find.

We don't have that in the UN, but we have China doing some pretty huge campaigns that deny a lot of humans fundamental rights. We should not allow China to take the lead role on the world stage.

I don't think you can honestly deny that this forum is in some sense a recruitment and training operation with Left-wing cause(s). It could be entirely ad hoc. I think that Jason's occasional comments about the site would read more in that sense.

So far as that may be true, I'm an obvious irritation to the program.

But for me, the fun of this forum is the sporadic information that is fired back at me, which I consider sometimes worth the trouble.

I don't always come in here with good information that could be appreciated, but for me debate is a sort of sport. I am not ever going to be an ideological devotee to something that is not in active questioning.

So, thanks for putting up with me.

 

[Gameface]

I have no idea what Jason does. But with all the crap that's said about me, I have a virtual license to say anything.

FWIW, I'm not a serious poster in here. Well, not always. I thought that was a good joke.

Jason did ask me why I don't just buzz off, if I think the UN isn't a good thing in the world today.

The UN does not have elective offices. Countries send delegates to conferences who draft magnificent plans for everybody, and then they try to get countries to follow the plans. In reality, it's "fascist" in the strict sense of the Latin term, government determined entirely by "connections" between industry and politicians. That's what not having significant elections does,.

Hitler's hatred for the Jews centered perhaps on the Jewish bankers who sided with England in WWI, and made a deal about Palestine, and denied the Germans the funds they needed. I spent my childhood reading "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by William Shirer, and every book on the extermination camps I could find.

We don't have that in the UN, but we have China doing some pretty huge campaigns that deny a lot of humans fundamental rights. We should not allow China to take the lead role on the world stage.

I don't think you can honestly deny that this forum is in some sense a recruitment and training operation with Left-wing cause(s). It could be entirely ad hoc. I think that Jason's occasional comments about the site would read more in that sense.

So far as that may be true, I'm an obvious irritation to the program.

But for me, the fun of this forum is the sporadic information that is fired back at me, which I consider sometimes worth the trouble.

I don't always come in here with good information that could be appreciated, but for me debate is a sort of sport. I am not ever going to be an ideological devotee to something that is not in active questioning.

So, thanks for putting up with me.

"I don't think you can honestly deny that this forum is in some sense a recruitment and training operation with Left-wing cause(s). It could be entirely ad hoc. I think that Jason's occasional comments about the site would read more in that sense."

I think any sane person CAN honestly say this statement is more an indication about the mental health of the person posting it than it is about anything related to reality.

On a fun little side note, I'm listening to 1984. I've read it at least a few times and I've watched the movie at least once, but I'm really enjoying the narrated version. That said, it certainly reminds me FAR FAR more of Trump supporters than anything else I've ever seen in real life. "We are at war with Mitch McConnell, we've always been at war with Mitch McConnell." could be a line taken directly from the book. I'm certain you're familiar with the book but you might want to give it one more go and then take a look at Trump's cult and ask yourself some really ****ing hard questions, babe.

 

[leftyjace]

I was recruited? Cool! I hope I was at least a 3 star recruit...

 

[fishonjazz]

"I don't think you can honestly deny that this forum is in some sense a recruitment and training operation with Left-wing cause(s). It could be entirely ad hoc. I think that Jason's occasional comments about the site would read more in that sense."

Omg does babe really think that?
Lunacy

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[babe]

Omg does babe really think that?
Lunacy

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Clueless.

People with complex thought processes usually have more than one possible scenario in view. Anyone who doesn't is not really a grown-up.

In socialist societies, perhaps the most damning aspect is state-promoted propaganda backed up by a horde of snitches sniffing out deviants from the state line, and jack-booted thugs who carry people off to disappearance, and social media operations that otherize non-standard views.

I experienced some of that growing up in Mormonism. Because of Mormonism, Utah is actually one of the most socialist societies on earth. Today's Chinese leaders include a number who went to BYU. I wouldn't be surprised if China started calling their local compliance officers "Home Teachers". They already have institutionalized compliance on social media, almost as effectively as issuing Temple Recommends.

A few historical Mormon efforts at what they call the "United Order" were failures just like Soviet collectives and the Pilgrim's first communal farming.

Until a few years ago I thought China would become a real effective form of economic power.........

;until Xi moved back into Mao's headquarters and started writing his own little books of propaganda wisdom...... and started moving problematic folks out of the way, into prison camps or "re-education projects".

My real Marxist buddy used to tell me China and Russia are not "Communist" but "State Capitalist". Some right-wing sources view them as wholly-owned subsidiaries of international banking powers.

Religious bible-thump3ers see the last great world power in Revelations as obviously the way things are now.

In the midst of all this I find a practical man like Trump focused on making life better directly quite refreshing.

I don't think he poses an epistemological or existential threat to anyone. His main effect is to let us prosper whoever the hell we are or whatever we think.;

The DumpTrump bandwagon is creating a backlash that probably means an end to voter fraud and election trickery. In an age of block chain technology and ubiquitous camera and sound, and fully auditable computer records, there is absolutely no need for us to tolerate this kind of fraud.

I think Marxism is sbound for the dustbins of history as one of several major fallacious belief systems, and I think socialism is going to undergo a transformation that cuts the power of government actors to near zero.

 

[fishonjazz]

Georgia governor pushes back on Trump's call for resignation

Investigators who audited the signatures on more than 15,000 absentee ballot envelopes in one Georgia county found “no fraudulent absentee ballots,” according to the audit report.

"This audit disproves the only credible allegations the Trump campaign had against the strength of Georgia’s signature match processes,” Raffensperger, also a Republican, said in a news release Monday.

The investigators reviewed 15,118 absentee ballot envelopes from randomly selected boxes, about 10% of the total received in Cobb County for the November general election, according to the audit report. That sample size was chosen to “reach a 99% confidence level in the results.”

The Cobb County elections department had “a 99.99% accuracy rate in performing correct signature verification procedures,” the audit report says.

 

[fishonjazz]

Of all the crap about trump that has pissed me off over the last 4 years his election fraud hoax is probably the one that pisses me off the most. What a piece of crap he is.

 

[fishonjazz]

I got this book for my wife for Christmas and I highly recommend it to anyone not indoctrinated into the trumpism cult.
Very very good read.
It's a sequel and I hear the first book is very good as well.


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[LogGrad98]

Of all the crap about trump that has pissed me off over the last 4 years his election fraud hoax is probably the one that pisses me off the most. What a piece of crap he is.

Worse are his followers imo. We already knew he was a piece of **** so this is all just par for the course. But all those people supporting this are just unbelievable. Far worse than Trump himself, imo, because they should know better. But they go against their understanding of good vs evil and knowingly embrace the evil. I have friends I'll probably never be friends with again. Not because I'll shut them out but because they choose to separate the relationship through rabid promoting of Trump's lies. He has far and away been the most divisive "leader" in American history.

 

[fishonjazz]

Worse are his followers imo. We already knew he was a piece of **** so this is all just par for the course. But all those people supporting this are just unbelievable. Far worse than Trump himself, imo, because they should know better. But they go against their understanding of good vs evil and knowingly embrace the evil. I have friends I'll probably never be friends with again. Not because I'll shut them out but because they choose to separate the relationship through rabid promoting of Trump's lies. He has far and away been the most divisive "leader" in American history.

Agreed. So many relationships hurt and destroyed over a dumb piece of **** reality tv star.

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[candrew]

Worse are his followers imo. We already knew he was a piece of **** so this is all just par for the course. But all those people supporting this are just unbelievable. Far worse than Trump himself, imo, because they should know better. But they go against their understanding of good vs evil and knowingly embrace the evil. I have friends I'll probably never be friends with again. Not because I'll shut them out but because they choose to separate the relationship through rabid promoting of Trump's lies. He has far and away been the most divisive "leader" in American history.

I have a friend I've know for about 10-12 years now who is a pretty hard core Trump supporter - she sews Thin Blue Line Flags and gives them away for free.

We just agree never to talk about politics - but it's always touch and go because there is that always that underlying ick factor.

I have that rule with most of my friends - it's just better that way. I have some friends that I've known 15+ years and I have no idea what their politics are.

Also, I deleted my Facebook account years ago - that helps A LOT.

 

[LogGrad98]

I have a friend I've know for about 10-12 years now who is a pretty hard core Trump supporter - she sews Thin Blue Line Flags and gives them away for free.

We just agree never to talk about politics - but it's always touch and go because there is that always that underlying ick factor.

I have that rule with most of my friends - it's just better that way. I have some friends that I've known 15+ years and I have no idea what their politics are.

Also, I deleted my Facebook account years ago - that helps A LOT.

Yeah I generally try to do the same. But I like the discussions as long as we can all be open minded, but I have friends that are so rabid about Trump it just infects every single interaction regardless of intent.

And yeah I jumped out of the Facebook cesspool almost 10 years ago now. And man is my life happier as a result. Can't tell you how often I run into a friend or even family member who is just in a ****** mood caused by ****-slinging on Facebook or other social media, whether they are directly involved or not. Facebook and other social media just brings out the absolute worst in people. They do and say **** they would NEVER do without that perceived veil of anonymity and distance. It's terrible.

 

[fishonjazz]

GOP Sen. Ben Sasse says he hasn't heard 'a single congressional Republican' dispute the election in private

Republican House members and at least one senator are lining up to oppose President-elect Joe Biden's 2020 win. But Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) says that's not what's happening behind the scenes.On Jan. 6, when Congress meets to certify the presidential election results, some Republicans are...

www.yahoo.com

GOP in Congress are only going along with the president on election fraud BS for show. Publicly they say there was fraud in order to please Trump's base of voters. Behind closed doors they don't actually believe there was fraud.



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[Avery]

This is the bed Republicans made. They have to acquiesce to all of Trump’s silly problems because his voters are their voters whether they like it or not.

They’ll look stupid on Jan. 6 delaying the vote because they’re gutless even in the face of reality.

 

[Red]

GOP in Congress are only going along with the president on election fraud BS for show. Publicly they say there was fraud in order to please Trump's base of voters. Behind closed doors they don't actually believe there was fraud.

It doesn’t matter. Or excuse them. Their “only for show” sets a precedent for where they will be pulled in a much closer election. Attempted election theft is approved now. Own the liberals by any means. Any means justifies the end, and that now includes overthrowing an election. They can say “oh no, we knew we had no chance”, but that won’t cut it because their base will always approve “by any means necessary”. And they are playing that hand, for show or not, they were willing to play that hand for all the people to see. And remember.

 

[The Thriller]

Yeah I generally try to do the same. But I like the discussions as long as we can all be open minded, but I have friends that are so rabid about Trump it just infects every single interaction regardless of intent.

And yeah I jumped out of the Facebook cesspool almost 10 years ago now. And man is my life happier as a result. Can't tell you how often I run into a friend or even family member who is just in a ****** mood caused by ****-slinging on Facebook or other social media, whether they are directly involved or not. Facebook and other social media just brings out the absolute worst in people. They do and say **** they would NEVER do without that perceived veil of anonymity and distance. It's terrible.

Completely agree. I deleted mine about 4 years ago. Same types of stories. Just about six months ago I created a burner account so I can store pictures. I don’t have any friends and don’t join any groups. But it’s still amazing the **** is see on that horrible website. I think historians at some point in the near future are going to have a field day documenting how Facebook radicalized large swaths of the American electorate in ways that the KGB, Al-Qaeda, and ISIS could’ve dreamed of. If you got rid of Facebook and Fox News for just 5 years then this country might actually become rational and governable once again.

 

[babe]

Yeah I generally try to do the same. But I like the discussions as long as we can all be open minded, but I have friends that are so rabid about Trump it just infects every single interaction regardless of intent.

And yeah I jumped out of the Facebook cesspool almost 10 years ago now. And man is my life happier as a result. Can't tell you how often I run into a friend or even family member who is just in a ****** mood caused by ****-slinging on Facebook or other social media, whether they are directly involved or not. Facebook and other social media just brings out the absolute worst in people. They do and say **** they would NEVER do without that perceived veil of anonymity and distance. It's terrible.

I know it's useless.

This side of the political divide is getting more and more intolerant.

Well, I brought Sidney Powell in on the OP. Things are really getting wild now. Here's some current developments.

Of course, as a long-time student of everything anti-Establishment, aka "Conspiracy Theory", what can I say. Instituitions generally diss any criticism or negative speculation, so that makes people who rely on the diss "Conspiracy Theory" pretty much "Statists" or Defenders of some damn political faith.

And of course, the lapdog media...... considering Trump to be the outsider and Biden the "insider", really piles on the Conspiracy Theory crap whate4ver anyone says.

Is it a conspiracy theory that Epstein was a perv who served the rich and important, including political wonks? It was until he was actually rounded up and convicted.

Sidney Powell's allegations on the Dominion vote machines were actually first brought up by some democrats, before this election ever happened. Tracing the actual location of the corporate entities that owned the machines and the software does take you off the beaten path..... Venezuela, for example, and there is Chinese ownership in some ways involved. British sorts as well.

The machines have now been proven to be capable of what was alledged.

But my hat goes off to Lin Wood who is out there citing standard conspiracy allegations about Chief Justice Roberts, just like folks were doing for Bill Clinton thirty ears ago. Alex Jones is perhaps the foremost alleger of Devil-worshipping child abusers holding public office.....

The problem is just this. It does not help for mainstream authorities to diss any charges without some damn investigation, done impartially of course.

The whole thing about dissing election fraud without actually serving subpoenas or sending out investigators just triggers a lot of people.

But I think that fits if the game plan were indeed, as some allege, is to take down the US as the leader of the New World Order, putting China up front.,

Ignoring China or not investigating Chinese influence in our elections....... wow.

 

[Gameface]

I know it's useless.

This side of the political divide is getting more and more intolerant.

Well, I brought Sidney Powell in on the OP. Things are really getting wild now. Here's some current developments.

Of course, as a long-time student of everything anti-Establishment, aka "Conspiracy Theory", what can I say. Instituitions generally diss any criticism or negative speculation, so that makes people who rely on the diss "Conspiracy Theory" pretty much "Statists" or Defenders of some damn political faith.

And of course, the lapdog media...... considering Trump to be the outsider and Biden the "insider", really piles on the Conspiracy Theory crap whate4ver anyone says.

Is it a conspiracy theory that Epstein was a perv who served the rich and important, including political wonks? It was until he was actually rounded up and convicted.

Sidney Powell's allegations on the Dominion vote machines were actually first brought up by some democrats, before this election ever happened. Tracing the actual location of the corporate entities that owned the machines and the software does take you off the beaten path..... Venezuela, for example, and there is Chinese ownership in some ways involved. British sorts as well.

The machines have now been proven to be capable of what was alledged.

But my hat goes off to Lin Wood who is out there citing standard conspiracy allegations about Chief Justice Roberts, just like folks were doing for Bill Clinton thirty ears ago. Alex Jones is perhaps the foremost alleger of Devil-worshipping child abusers holding public office.....

The problem is just this. It does not help for mainstream authorities to diss any charges without some damn investigation, done impartially of course.

The whole thing about dissing election fraud without actually serving subpoenas or sending out investigators just triggers a lot of people.

But I think that fits if the game plan were indeed, as some allege, is to take down the US as the leader of the New World Order, putting China up front.,

Ignoring China or not investigating Chinese influence in our elections....... wow.

That took a lot of words for you to say nothing.

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