Enes kanter will be traded

[fishonjazz]

You're no fun.

Anyone else catch Corbin's post-game comments about Kanter?

"He played a good game on both ends of the floor...He was the beast that we’re looking forward to him being."

For real though.
You did convince me that last night he made the right move for the right reasons.
I got no further arguement

 

[Diamond77]

Nobody has to have faith in a player that didn't show the quality of a 3rd overall draft pick in his first 3 years. Not that he didn't show anything, he did show some amazing talents that you cannot see from any guy in his size. But you can't blame people who grow tired and eventually fall to impatience for his still-to-come success. 20/20 game was the game holding Kanter up among all the other performances. It says, this guy can be big. And I too believe he will be big. But I fear that may be in another team, if Corbin is unsatisfied with him and is thinking of removing him.

I don't agree that he still didn't show his talent in his 3 years. He has a huge excusing because he didn't have the chance to play in college and this is the main reason why his development is slow.

Jazz drafted him for his potential. Nobody expected of him to have a devastating impact in his first 2-3 years.

He has improved his stats every year although not being counted as a starter and not getting big minutes.

I understand people has big expectations with him, but he is only 21 and he has big margins of improvement.

I don't like the idea that he could make the luck of another team and his years with the Jazz uniform remembered just as an apprenticeship in Nba.

We all have seen against the Clippers that his problem is the lack of confidence and the demotivation. The main role of the coach is to motivate the players and put them in the best position to perform well. Everyone saw that Enes played better as starter so if he struggles so much coming off the bench, you have to move him again in the starting lineup. Maybe his self-confidence is higher when he begins the games or maybe he is the kind of player that have difficulty to gear at games underway. I remember something similar with Kirilenko too.

If the Jazz don’t want to rely on Enes because of management choice or future salary cup, then they don't have to poke fun at Kanter nor the fans. I don’t believe to the story that he is just not good enough and neither I believe that his suddenly incompatible with Favors. Playing Enes more minutes it is not synonym of loss.

Invest in Burks and Hayward at the expense of Kanter would be a big mistake.

 

[The Fresh Prince]

Kanter is still averaging over 11 pts for the year on limited minutes.. id say thats far better than most Cs and PFs who wind up busting.

He aint bein traded.. quit with the delusions.

 

[CAKAR]

They are always talking about Favors and Kanter not able to play with each other because they can not guard stretch 4 players. But they forget that most of stretch 4 players also will have a hard time guarding one of them in the paint. Marvin Williams also was a miss-match gainst Blake with his 3 point shot, but it did not work and Marvin was not even nearly able to guard Griffin. So we had to change the line up and go BIG with Kanter.
Kanter played the best Defense, he played this year. He stopped Blake a few Times, but Blake is an ALL-Star and he had a Big o GAME that night. Even Favors was not able to guard him and he was supposed to be a defensive stud.

Most of the time Kanter is guarded by the Center and Favors guarded by the PF. So if Favors can use the missmatch against stretch 4 players better and if Kanter could hit solid from 3 point range, then both of them could be deadly.

 

[NUMBERICA]

They are always talking about Favors and Kanter not able to play with each other because they can not guard stretch 4 players. But they forget that most of stretch 4 players also will have a hard time guarding one of them in the paint.

That only works if a player knows how to use their size to their advantage. That basically comes down to overpowering a player (usually in the post), or just shooting over the top of someone (which generally requires an exceptional shooter to truly exploit a size mismatch. I have yet to see Favors do either [although he has improved offensively, I don't really see him overpowering opponents]). That's why small-ball works as much as it does; very few teams have two bigs that can play together (spacing, passing) and can exploit a size mismatch MORE than the other team can exploit the speed/spacing advantage.

Marvin Williams also was a miss-match gainst Blake with his 3 point shot, but it did not work and Marvin was not even nearly able to guard Griffin. So we had to change the line up and go BIG with Kanter.

That's not really much of a mismatch for Marv. If there's an advantage for the Jazz, it's the spacing, but they are undoubtedly losing the individual matchup UNLESS Marv is a threat as a ballhandler. Additionally, the spacing Marv provides doesn't really mean much considering that the Clippers have survived defensively without any help defense from Blake to begin with.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I just want to state that despite the NBA doing everything within its power to take the advantage away from bigs, bigs dictate a team's style of play more than almost anything. This applies to centers to some degree, but largely applies to power forwards. It's harder to build an offense around a guy in the post than it was in the 90's with the change of defensive rules, but if you can either spread the floor with one of the other bigs or pair two good post-players that BOTH have some mid-range shooting ability and are ample passers, you can build very sustainable and consistent offensive success (the obvious examples here are the Spurs [who utilize the PF position better than any team to dictate style of play that is most advantageous for them], Pacers, Grizzlies, and Bynum/Gasol Lakers).

 

[Julie Greengiant]

on a side note (and an irrelevant one for that matter);
I do speak German.
That said I am of a Mongolian (=scum-or-scourge-of-the-earth) descent (which you people call Turks) with big eyes and caucasian looks.
I blame my grandpas, who were just too fond of shagging indigenous chicks (Greeks, Slavs what not), for having replaced my slanting eyes and my Charles-Bronson-looks with bushy eyebrows and greasy cheeks.

yeah, speaking of Kanter; Corbin sux!

i love this post so much i took the time to figure out how to rep it

 

[addictionary]

I don't agree that he still didn't show his talent in his 3 years. He has a huge excusing because he didn't have the chance to play in college and this is the main reason why his development is slow.

Jazz drafted him for his potential. Nobody expected of him to have a devastating impact in his first 2-3 years.

He has improved his stats every year although not being counted as a starter and not getting big minutes.

I understand people has big expectations with him, but he is only 21 and he has big margins of improvement.

I don't like the idea that he could make the luck of another team and his years with the Jazz uniform remembered just as an apprenticeship in Nba.

We all have seen against the Clippers that his problem is the lack of confidence and the demotivation. The main role of the coach is to motivate the players and put them in the best position to perform well. Everyone saw that Enes played better as starter so if he struggles so much coming off the bench, you have to move him again in the starting lineup. Maybe his self-confidence is higher when he begins the games or maybe he is the kind of player that have difficulty to gear at games underway. I remember something similar with Kirilenko too.

If the Jazz don’t want to rely on Enes because of management choice or future salary cup, then they don't have to poke fun at Kanter nor the fans. I don’t believe to the story that he is just not good enough and neither I believe that his suddenly incompatible with Favors. Playing Enes more minutes it is not synonym of loss.

Invest in Burks and Hayward at the expense of Kanter would be a big mistake.

And I agree. What I'm saying is not everyone knows or cares about his disadvantages in having a better impact and you can't tell people to care about these. But if someobe does that and then leads him the way to his ceiling, they will gain bigtime from his success. Even the Clips announcer said "and he is just a BABY, he is 21 years old". It is a no brainer for you and me alike but not for everyone obviously to be patient about him, trust him and give him his starting spot.

What Enes needs aside learning to protect his confidence is the teamwork, ball movement and practical bb iq. I think these things come with experience and he needs that more than most as a starter. And when he nails those, he will be monstrous. I believe in him.

 

[mellow]

Just for fun.....

Imagine you are out to lunch with Dennis Lindsey, and the Milwaukee Bucks GM walks bye. You say, "hey guys, how about Henson(and filler) for Kanter?"

Who says no first?

Same scenario, But you say Illysova for Kanter. Who says no first?

What if the Cavs GM walks past, and you say Tristan for Enes? Who says no first?
What about Anthony Bennett?

Detroit and Greg Monroe?

Boston and Kelly Olynk?

Lakers unprotected 1st?

Charlotte and Cody Zeller?

 

[fishonjazz]

Just for fun.....

Imagine you are out to lunch with Dennis Lindsey, and the Milwaukee Bucks GM walks bye. You say, "hey guys, how about Henson(and filler) for Kanter?"

Who says no first?

Same scenario, But you say Illysova for Kanter. Who says no first?

What if the Cavs GM walks past, and you say Tristan for Enes? Who says no first?
What about Anthony Bennett?

Detroit and Greg Monroe?

Boston and Kelly Olynk?

I take kanter every time except maybe the henson one depending on what the "filler" is

 

[Sexual Favors]

Just for fun.....

Imagine you are out to lunch with Dennis Lindsey, and the Milwaukee Bucks GM walks bye. You say, "hey guys, how about Henson(and filler) for Kanter?"

Who says no first?

Same scenario, But you say Illysova for Kanter. Who says no first?

What if the Cavs GM walks past, and you say Tristan for Enes? Who says no first?
What about Anthony Bennett?

Detroit and Greg Monroe?

Boston and Kelly Olynk?

If I'm DL, I say no to every one of those. Kanter is still young, still has his potential, and still has his great touch for a big man. I still believe Kanter will shoot 3's one day too, and therefore be a force both inside and out. He will need help defensively, and eventually the team will learn how to cover for him, and he himself will get smarter with what rotations to choose. As it is, it seems like he is over thinking every decision on defense. He's scared of defense, and the only way to break him of that fear is to let him play and build confidence and chemistry with Favors.

I understand that having Marvin in the game helps to spread the floor when he's shooting 3's, but I think it is a disservice to the team's long term plans. I think Kanter CAN shoot 3's (based on scouting videos, and what his old Turkish coach has said), and therefore should be encouraged to shoot 3's. I think why Favors and Kanter only works sparingly is because Favors has decided to take a lot of mid range shots this year, and so has Kanter. If they told Kanter to reduce his mid range attempts and shoot open 3's and close to the bucket, then the duo could eventually work. I think it will take a little bit for Kanter to get used to shooting 3's in an NBA game, but that's what this season is for. Let the players develop their games in ways that compliment each other, and through their ensuing struggles that eventually better themselves, we also get a top 3 draft pick because their development is a process!

Dennis Lindsey talked a big talk about player development and the process of not skipping steps this summer, but it seems like he's content with eating those words in regards to Kanter. His time to learn is now. Put him in the game and let the team figure it out.

 

[mellow]

So if hawks GM Danny Ferry was having lunch at Applebee's with Dennis O'Lindsey, and Enes Kanters agent walked by and suggests the Jazz trade Kanter to the Hawks for the Brooklyn Pick (currently #8), who says no ?