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babe said:
I consider the entire set of Evan McMullin supporters "nitwits" by association with Mike Lee, and the rest of the pious Mormon temple recommend carrying folks who believe personal holiness trumps human rights.
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False dichotomy. We can be in favor of personal holiness and also human rights.

As I see it, Hillary is absolutely the choice of an establishment of nested interests whose thinking has gone off the rails. Of course, the happy little clique of JazzFanzers from Colton to Kicky on down to our happy Game are pretty much vested in this establishment.
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And yet, I don't choose Hillary. I think she's a liar, and corrupt, and her policies are pretty far from what I believe in.
 
colton said:
False dichotomy. We can be in favor of personal holiness and also human rights.



And yet, I don't choose Hillary. I think she's a liar, and corrupt, and her policies are pretty far from what I believe in.
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Facts are not important here. Just spin.
 
colton said:
False dichotomy. We can be in favor of personal holiness and also human rights.



And yet, I don't choose Hillary. I think she's a liar, and corrupt, and her policies are pretty far from what I believe in.
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Nested in the scriptural Mormonism of the Book of Mormon is a set of principles that basically asserts that personal holiness is the path to liberty, that the blessings of God will follow.

My problem with contemporary "Mormonism", if the LDS Church can be described by that at all, is the consistent evasion of that truth by policy and implementation of a substituted value in its place...... obedience to authority supplanting a critical thought path.

The result is pharisaical "righteousness" mistaken for real personal holiness.

I get it that most LDS people find Trump's manners or brash unpremeditated incoherent thoughts all inconsistent with the manners and culture of today's Mormonism. However, except for some elements of personal charisma, he is more like a Joseph Smith and other early Mormon leaders who said a lot of stupid stuff that nobody wants to acknowledge today.

Tonight Trump got booed at the big New York dinner where all the movers and shakers attend to have some fun with the Presidential candidates, for speaking the truth you cite once again.

I think this election is going to destabilize America long-term because the old guard establishment is pushing forward with an agenda for change that a critical mass of Americans are now seeing, and rejecting. Trump would have been a better choice for them. He would have worked with them while calming the unhappy village folk. Progressivism generally has favored gradual change, but the rising tide of informed objection has pushed it's proponents off their game, and Hillary represents a level of insult that Americans will not tolerate.

The LDS managers are standing wrong on this one, generally, by their tight association with the Progressive movement in stark hypocrisy with their stated non political pretensions. I'm just calling them out on it.

Whatever his failings, I have observed some things in his decisions during this campaign that I believe marks him as a sincere man who wants to change things for the better. Of course Smoot-Halley tariffs would be a mistake, and he needs to see the error of his thinking in that department. I think Trump is an actual American proponent who wants to see American Exceptionalism brought back. His economic package is like JFK's and Reagans. Everyone knows JFK had poor morals and fantastic women, but it was his American economic policies that made him popular, and successful.

I am just expressing my outrage at pious folk who would in a binary election choice throw Trump out because his morals might not be great, and let an alternative whose morals are truly despicable get elected.
 
OK, so I did my research on Evan McMullin, finally.

I retract the "nutjob" assessment.

However, my opinion remains that his policies constitute basically statist, progressive agenda views that the RNC "RINO" elitists of the Bush/McCain/Romney sort would pursue. This is a failure of the Republican Party to actually back their winning candidate. McMullin is not an "independent", just a front man for Romney, and insider attack on Trump from insider Republicans who don't want their own name on the line.

The problem with Trump, besides his easily-worked goofs and personal issues, is that he is, apparently, not going to run with the same old program. While he did check in with the Pres. of the CFR before running, and although he "knows the folks" who consider themselves the relevant power brokers, he is going to do things different.

We've never had a candidate who would stand up and speak the truth about corruption, lies, and insider backing for the anointed system candidates like Obama, Clinton, Romney, and McCain. I don't know what he could really do, but I think the personal attacks and smears ya'll have focused on are campaign diversions from his policy positions, which are substantial. Maybe not perfect, but a fresh breeze wafting over foggy bottom, and a little daylight coming in.
 
babe said:
OK, so I did my research on Evan McMullin, finally.

I retract the "nutjob" assessment.

However, my opinion remains that his policies constitute basically statist, progressive agenda views that the RNC "RINO" elitists of the Bush/McCain/Romney sort would pursue. This is a failure of the Republican Party to actually back their winning candidate. McMullin is not an "independent", just a front man for Romney, and insider attack on Trump from insider Republicans who don't want their own name on the line.

The problem with Trump, besides his easily-worked goofs and personal issues, is that he is, apparently, not going to run with the same old program. While he did check in with the Pres. of the CFR before running, and although he "knows the folks" who consider themselves the relevant power brokers, he is going to do things different.

We've never had a candidate who would stand up and speak the truth about corruption, lies, and insider backing for the anointed system candidates like Obama, Clinton, Romney, and McCain. I don't know what he could really do, but I think the personal attacks and smears ya'll have focused on are campaign diversions from his policy positions, which are substantial. Maybe not perfect, but a fresh breeze wafting over foggy bottom, and a little daylight coming in.
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Sure, let's talk about Trump's policy proposals because that will be less stupid
 
str8line said:
And let's talk about how he would change the culture of, "corruption, lies, and insider backing", babe.
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He has a magic wand. It's really small so that he can hide it in his tiny hands, but it's there and it has yuge powers that far exceed the simple powers of the POTUS.

And we're so dumb we're about to elect a person that doesn't even have a freakin' penis. Ugh!
 
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