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Everyone saying "I don't remember us looking this bad before" has a short memory

The last thing to mention right now should be comparison of the last year record to current record because last year Jazz started their 18-2 run couple 10 days ago. It's going to be painful to compare these records in one month.
 
I think it has more to do with actually watching them.

True, our record isn't that bad. What Kicky seems to be suggesting is that we're good enough to qualify for a 6th seed. Which is fine, I guess.

But the problem is what we're observing....

We're observing a team that cannot shoot, rebound, score in transition, and is fighting amongst themselves.

True, we've had low points. Injuries to Boozer, Memo, AK, Deron, etc.

But never have we been so outmanned at the 2/3. Never. Brewer couldn't shoot. But at least he could get steals, rebound, cut, and dunk. Korver couldn't defend or drive, but at least he could shoot. Wesley was a good player. Raja sucks, AK sucks, and CJ is inconsistent.

Boozer and Memo had problems defensively. But at least they could rebound and score. They could work decently together. But Al and Paul haven't shown the ability to compliment each other. Nor have they showed the ability to rebound.

We may end up with a great record, which would be awesome.

But the way this team looks isn't entertaining... Nor is it the type of Basketball that wins championships.
 
The Thriller said:
I think it has more to do with actually watching them.
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But the problem is what we're observing....

We're observing a team that cannot shoot, rebound, score in transition, and is fighting amongst themselves.
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Very well put. It's rare for good teams to just fall off the map like we have this year without an injury or loss of a coach or some other major event. I think the problems are so many, that the team will have to address them one by one--at this point I think the staff is still trying to identify exactly everything that is going wrong. If I had to name just a few possibilities:
Getting scouted, no energy/passion/desire, selfishness (but chemistry has been supposedly good until just recently), shooting, rebounding, scoring, not knowing plays, plays not appropriate for the current roster, confidence, failure to take responsibility, rebounding, no home court advantage (compared to years past) and so forth.

Maybe this explains why fans will need to be patient so that we don't end up further alienating players from their fan base. Like I said earlier, this team has shown the ability to beat top teams on the road, and to come back from deep deficits--two things that mean mental toughness to me. Because of that I am willing to let them go back to square one as they start picking up the pieces. Based on their early accomplishments, I am giving them a good chance at building on what they started earlier this year--but that's not happening overnight.

Having said that, it would be some pretty tasty crow if we go on a tear starting in LA tomorrow.
 
fairweather said:
The Jazz have plenty of talent (but not necessarily to win a title). What I'm not seeing is effort. They are playing like they don't care. I've seen guys play pick up games with more passion.
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i think you could literally post this at any time in the past ~6 seasons and be ok, that's how stagnant this team is
 
I would say that the players look like they are thinking too much on offense. They also play scared knowing that if they run to the wrong spot, throw an alley oop or shoot a bad shot they are gonna get jerked.
 
mellow said:
I would say that the players look like they are thinking too much on offense. They also play scared knowing that if they run to the wrong spot, throw an alley oop or shoot a bad shot they are gonna get jerked.
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I agree with the first point about looking scared or tentative running the offense but looking at the starters only one players minutes (baring foul trouble) has fluctuated or had them taken away.
 
I want one thing moving forward: players who play with fire, intensity, and passion, as well as consistency. No more soft bitches who don't give a damn and have the work ethic of Dom Deluise. Get AK, Memo and Jeffersonthe hell out of here. Pay Bell the last 6M for his last two years this summer and cut your losses and start with the Hayward's and Elson's of the world. Guys who give a damn and we know will show up. Or maybe that doesn't matter to Jerry.

Seriously, imagine a starting five of Deron-Wes-Miles-Millsap-Fes right now. I'd go to war with that at least. Price-Watson-Hayward-AK and Elson off the bench. I can live with that knowing they'll fight and we'll have a ton of cap room.
 
Does anyone know if the coaching staff teaches our front court players to lay it in as opposed to dunking it? I always felt as though our bigs are told not to dunk the ball.
 
VINYLONE said:
Does anyone know if the coaching staff teaches our front court players to lay it in as opposed to dunking it? I always felt as though our bigs are told not to dunk the ball.
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Sloan decided that dunking was bad during Malone's rookie year when Malone famously missed several dunks sending the ball nearly to the level of the jumbotron and all the way to mid-court. He talks about it a lot when he derides being "flashy" instead of being fundamentally sound. Luckily for our entertainment Malone still dunked until he was a little old man in his 17th season or so, but that is how Jerry has been teaching it, to lay it up instead of going for the flashy dunk, for 23 years, and that is how he teaches it now.


[edited for clarity as per viny's post below]
 
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