Exum Putting In Some Work

[Et tu Brute]

I don't really know what you mean by saying it was over the top. The reason why I used that phrase is because Dennis Lindsey used it to describe Ingles. Ingles doesn't have an agenda when he's out on the floor. He takes what the defense gives him and makes the right play.

Dante is not there as a player. He doesn't read the game well, and that is troubling for a player who isn't good enough to force himself on the defense. The reason why he disappears so easily and has ugly moments with the ball is because he commits to what he's doing before it happens. There's not a whole lot of read and react to his game. He has tunnel vision.

He is inexperienced, and he will get better, but you can only improve so much. His current skill and experience levels are huge obstacles right now.

I am a huge Ingles fan.

But he is not infallible with his body language.
He constantly throws his arms up in frustration when a teammate doesn't make the 'right' play. Go back and watch Dante's dunk in Game 4 vs Warriors. Ingles just about berates 'little brother' Dante for not passing him the pill. Probably just treating him the same way as the coaching staff. Dunno.

Dante's body language and actions towards his teammates, opponents and refs is impeccable.

 

[elan_prodigy]

I think it actually might be the only way.

The Jazz lack a penetrator who can threaten the rim and get to the line.

They also need someone that can dwarf Curry and stay ahead of him. Also, he is the perfect switch defender. He could develop in a way that means he could switch onto KD and be a significant impediment.

How many players do you know that have that possible ceiling?

I must admit, I've always thought the same.

As much as people doubt Exum's ability, imo him reaching his 'potential' is the key to this team reaching it's potential.

I don't want to take away anything from any of the other players but Dante has a very unique skill set (along with Rudy) and the key with beating GS is locking them down at the point of attack and taking their 2 x MVP out of his rhythm.

I know it may sound ridiculous to suggest a guy that is basically currently out of our rotation is so vital but potential is potential. Just gotta believe yo.

 

[Et tu Brute]

That's not at all what I mean by agenda. What I mean is that he can't make decisions on the fly. He makes them beforehand, and it's not because he sees the game before it happens. When he disappears, it's because he's trying to not mess up. When he's making ugly turnovers, it's because he's committed to making a play even when it's not there. The game doesn't come to him.

As far as his experience, I know he doesn't have much. I'm not attacking Dante, I'm just giving my opinion on what I see. If he's bad at something he needs to improve upon it regardless of why he's bad at it. It's not enough to be good for an inexperienced player. This is the NBA, you need to be good an NBA player.

If everyone improved as much as Gordon and Rudy, they wouldn't be special players...because they certainly weren't special when they started out. It's not impossible for Dante to get there, but the improvement that those two made is not typical. The players who are most likely to improve from point A to point B are the ones whose point A's begin closer to point B. It's not impossible for him to be a great player, but he's certainly behind if he wants to get there. He needs to put in a lot of work just to establish himself as a rotation player. That needs to happen before we even think of him as an All Star or All NBA player.

You must hate elite speed, length, athleticism, defense and a team first mindset.

Cause if you liked any of them you would be more optimistic.

 

[MVP]

You must hate elite speed, length, athleticism, defense and a team first mindset.

Cause if you liked any of them you would be more optimistic.

There is nothing elite about Exum's athleticism, length or mindset. He has elite first step, that's it.

 

[MVP]

I think it actually might be the only way.

The Jazz lack a penetrator who can threaten the rim and get to the line.

They also need someone that can dwarf Curry and stay ahead of him. Also, he is the perfect switch defender. He could develop in a way that means he could switch onto KD and be a significant impediment.

How many players do you know that have that possible ceiling?

Hoping that Exum can somewhat bother Curry is ridiculuos - are you even watching any playoffs this year? Plus he sucks as switch defender as he gets lost in rotations and switches constantly and gets yanked out of the game by Snyder mostly for that reason. Exum on KD? ROFL.. KD is abusing LeBron and you think Exum may be an an answer - my oh my....
Dude is very raw and lacks basics basketball skills and instincts and you keep thinking that he can be some kind of saviour. Jazz are lucky if he turns in to Shan Livingston type backup PG at best. But nobody sees Livingston type players as a key to beating some elite teams. And Livingston at least has mid range jumper.

 

[Et tu Brute]

There is nothing elite about Exum's athleticism, length or mindset. He has elite first step, that's it.

Buddy you need to read carefully.

I didn't write Exum has elite:
speed; length; athleticism; defense and a team first mindset.

I stated that Exum had elite speed, length, athleticism, defense and a team first mindset.

Comprende?

 

[Et tu Brute]

Hoping that Exum can somewhat bother Curry is ridiculuos - are you even watching any playoffs this year? Plus he sucks as switch defender as he gets lost in rotations and switches constantly and gets yanked out of the game by Snyder mostly for that reason. Exum on KD? ROFL.. KD is abusing LeBron and you think Exum may be an an answer - my oh my....
Dude is very raw and lacks basics basketball skills and instincts and you keep thinking that he can be some kind of saviour. Jazz are lucky if he turns in to Shan Livingston type backup PG at best. But nobody sees Livingston type players as a key to beating some elite teams. And Livingston at least has mid range jumper.

Do you read with the intent to distort? I didn't suggest he could shut down KD. You seem to think Exum can't improve his conditioning and strength. Getting lost on rotations is something that happens. It's not a glaring problem with him.

Nice argument about X not being able to defend Curry. Sophisticated, pointed and persuasive.


Are you David Locke's lovechild by any chance?

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I think agenda was the perfect way to use, because it is the exact way that the GM described another player. That, on top of his low skill level, is what is limiting him on the offensive end. He needs to improve upon his decision making ability and his skill level if he wants to see the floor. At some point he needs to be responsible for his development. Opportunity will come if he gets better.

Don't forget about the defensive end either. The shooting and ball handling may never get there, but his defense has to be good if he's going to make it in this league. His footwork and activity in the passing lanes need to improve as well.

I think it's clear that you did not understand what Quin was saying when he used the agenda phrase to describe Ingles.

 

[MVP]

Buddy you need to read carefully.

I didn't write Exum has elite:
speed; length; athleticism; defense and a team first mindset.

I stated that Exum had elite speed, length, athleticism, defense and a team first mindset.

Comprende?

You are delusional.

 

[Stoked]

Nah, it is gonna be another incompetitive playoffs GSW domination year

So? One does not determine the other. One outlier does not remove all other competition or improvement. Take this season for example. I had a blast watching it and enjoyed it immensely.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

So? One does not determine the other. One outlier does not remove all other competition or improvement. Take this season for example. I had a blast watching it and enjoyed it immensely.

Agreed. GSW and super teams present a challenge and I'm hoping not an overreaction from Hayward. He may think forming a super team is the only way to win... I don't think Boston is any closer to beating GS than we are... By time all of their picks are realized and major contributors Hayward may be out of his prime.

Everyone else should build the best they can and give luck a chance.

 

[KqWIN]

I think it's clear that you did not understand what Quin was saying when he used the agenda phrase to describe Ingles.

It's clear to me that you don't understand that Quin is not the GM of the Utah Jazz and did not listen to the same interview that the actual GM of the Jazz did.

https://soundcloud.com/zonesportsnetwork/dj-pk-utah-jazz-basketball-dennis-lindsey-1

29 minutes in:

"When Joe moves on the court he doesn't really play with an agenda. He doesn't say before the game I've got to score 15 points or I've got to do this. He just makes the right play, and because of that Rudy recognizes that, Gordon recognizes that, Quin recognizes that."