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Favors needs more minutes

I really know nothing about the big men of the draft. I really only watch ACC. I'd say Henson intrigues me as a guy who should be there when we pick. Skinny and a little raw, but a crasy athlete who beasts at the rim. A bit like Davis, but even a better athlete with less offensive game.

I'm all for finding ways to keep Sap on the floor. I have never thought he could defend the 3, though. I get scared when he's out on the perimeter. But if Favors made enough strides and we had much better help instincts we could maybe get away with it for short stretches. Mostly I'm in favor of just closing games with whatever combo of those 3 work best. Sap out against Bynum/Pau, Sap in against Duncan/Blair, that kind of thing.
 
CALJAZZFAN said:
I would not be against drafting a center, provided that he have some serious potential to be a defensive force, but I'm not sure about drafting based on height. Favors is the same height as Dwight Howard, and Dwight plays center. AK can guard Odom and we don't need anyone other than Al and Favors. Plus, the Lakers won't necessarily be the team we need to worry about after another year or two, IMO. Kobe is on the downside and without Kobe, they're nothing, even with three trees. I'd worry more about Oklahoma City.
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Not really any good true 7 foot centers in this draft. Kanter is 6'10". The other Euros are considered more PFs than centers. Zeller might be the highest ranked 7 footer. Either though I kind of doubt he is a legit 7 footer either. Could be some Euro who comes out of nowhere though.
 
billyshelby said:
I really know nothing about the big men of the draft. I really only watch ACC. I'd say Henson intrigues me as a guy who should be there when we pick. Skinny and a little raw, but a crasy athlete who beasts at the rim. A bit like Davis, but even a better athlete with less offensive game.

I'm all for finding ways to keep Sap on the floor. I have never thought he could defend the 3, though. I get scared when he's out on the perimeter. But if Favors made enough strides and we had much better help instincts we could maybe get away with it for short stretches. Mostly I'm in favor of just closing games with whatever combo of those 3 work best. Sap out against Bynum/Pau, Sap in against Duncan/Blair, that kind of thing.
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... but, then again, I think Millsap can play Artest...

I agree with you on the core of this idea: help defense is what this is all about. Favors and AJ could be the anchors of a pretty solid defensive front court, but both have a lot to learn on rotations, etc., and how to put THE TEAM in good rebounding position after making a play on defense.

I dunno... I think this is an issue that Millsap and the Jazz have to work out together. Millsap wants to be a foundation for this team, and I think he has earned serious consideration for being team Captain + being a focal point of the team's overall schematic. He's come to training camp every year with new facet to his game. I think there is plenty of reason to hope that he could work on his lateral agility and footwork so that he could play spot minutes at the SF. Of course, the coaching staff needs to be in conversation with him about this, and part of the conversation probably needs to be about him coming off the bench. Crown him Captain, give him 30 minutes a game, and tell him that we want him to close games (and if he can adapt to playing spot minutes at SF that'll be sooo much easier).

It's too bad that Fes isn't working out. Then, you'd have your situational big man with a specialty on D. Do you think he'll be back?
 
NAOS said:
... but, then again, I think Millsap can play Artest...

I agree with you on the core of this idea: help defense is what this is all about. Favors and AJ could be the anchors of a pretty solid defensive front court, but both have a lot to learn on rotations, etc., and how to put THE TEAM in good rebounding position after making a play on defense.

I dunno... I think this is an issue that Millsap and the Jazz have to work out together. Millsap wants to be a foundation for this team, and I think he has earned serious consideration for being team Captain + being a focal point of the team's overall schematic. He's come to training camp every year with new facet to his game. I think there is plenty of reason to hope that he could work on his lateral agility and footwork so that he could play spot minutes at the SF. Of course, the coaching staff needs to be in conversation with him about this, and part of the conversation probably needs to be about him coming off the bench. Crown him Captain, give him 30 minutes a game, and tell him that we want him to close games (and if he can adapt to playing spot minutes at SF that'll be sooo much easier).

It's too bad that Fes isn't working out. Then, you'd have your situational big man with a specialty on D. Do you think he'll be back?
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Sap's jumper gives me a lot of hope that he can be used creatively. But I don't see any amount of jumping jacks that is going to make him an even adequate defender against most NBA wings. He doesn't have Artest's skill set defensively. I'm also not worried about his feelings if he's asked to come in on the second unit since he will get 30 minutes and he can dominate other second units. I'd rather have talent and figure out how to make it work than be searching for talent. The frontcourt guys we have can all play better together which is where the process starts.

As for Fes, I don't know what to think. I suspect he signs elsewhere after the Jazz make a nominal offer. My thing is every team has to evaluate whether a player didn't take advantage of the opportunities given to him, or whether he was denied opportunity. I'm not blaming anyone in this scenario, but he's not a stiff like Arajuo so I don't think I'll feel completely comfortable with how it ends if he does go.
 
Fess is like others on our team, mentally weak. He just doesn't care enough about the game. If he had half of Malone's work ethic he would be the next Shaq, but the guy just doesn't see, to care. He is reasonably skilled and coordinated and uses that plus his size to get by. But that is all he seems to want to do is get by, and have a good smoke after the game. It will not hurt us if he goes. I think he will end up in Europe or back in Russia.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
Big Al talk a little about Favors. He compares him to Kevin Love as a rookie.

https://1320kfan.com/index.php/audio/listen/jazz_practice_al_jefferson_march_18

Watching this kid grow is gonna be fun.

edit - Coach Corbin talks about him too.

https://1320kfan.com/index.php/audio/listen/jazz_practice_ty_corbin_march_18
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Al's an idiot.

Kevin Love had a ton of skills coming in not to mention range out to the 3 pt line. He's like a smaller Memo with wheels.

Favors has a lot of raw athletic talent but a very unrefined offensive game. A lighter Dwight Howard.

I honestly can't think of two more different players.
 
The Thriller said:
Al's an idiot.

Kevin Love had a ton of skills coming in not to mention range out to the 3 pt line. He's like a smaller Memo with wheels.

Favors has a lot of raw athletic talent but a very unrefined offensive game. A lighter Dwight Howard.

I honestly can't think of two more different players.
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Spud Webb and Shaq?

Michael Jordan and Adam Keefe?

John Stockton and Martin Muursepp?

Sundiate Gaines and Wilt Chamberlain?

You really can't think of any 2 more different players?
 
The Thriller said:
Al's an idiot.

Kevin Love had a ton of skills coming in not to mention range out to the 3 pt line. He's like a smaller Memo with wheels.

Favors has a lot of raw athletic talent but a very unrefined offensive game. A lighter Dwight Howard.

I honestly can't think of two more different players.
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Interesting take. I'll be interested to hear what you think after you've listened to it.
 
The Thriller said:
Al's an idiot.

Kevin Love had a ton of skills coming in not to mention range out to the 3 pt line. He's like a smaller Memo with wheels.

Favors has a lot of raw athletic talent but a very unrefined offensive game. A lighter Dwight Howard.

I honestly can't think of two more different players.
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With all due respect, Al's spent extensive time practicing and playing with both of these players, certainly a lot more than we have. And if you listen to the interview its clear he's referring to his nose for the ball style of rebounding, how they both "track" the ball and etc.
 
The Thriller said:
Al's an idiot.

Kevin Love had a ton of skills coming in not to mention range out to the 3 pt line. He's like a smaller Memo with wheels.

Favors has a lot of raw athletic talent but a very unrefined offensive game. A lighter Dwight Howard.

I honestly can't think of two more different players.
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Wait.....

who's the idiot?
 
Lance-A-Million said:
With all due respect, Al's spent extensive time practicing and playing with both of these players, certainly a lot more than we have. And if you listen to the interview its clear he's referring to his nose for the ball style of rebounding, how they both "track" the ball and etc.
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This. I think his observations are exciting, considering Love is a rebounding monster.
 
for the record, this would be the very first time that O Gatino was misled by his propensity for over-reaction. So, I'm sticking with the Gat.... proven track record. no doubt.
 
I haven't listened to it yet but I agree with those after Thriller that listened to it, in that I know I heard some interviews with someone on Minni's coaching staff saying the way they both track the ball they're similar so the potential for him to rebound like Love is there.
 
Keep playing Favors he is our future. Milsap is the perfect second team guy. I say start Favors/AJ for the rest of the season. That gives us Milsap off the bench.
 
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