Favs Replacements

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  1. LoPo

    LoPo Well-Known Member

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    I see nothing wrong with giving Bradley Udoh's role from last year. Udoh played in 51 games playing 6.3mpg. I'm fine with Bradley doing that. Considering we paid Udoh $3.36 million and Bradley is set to make $1.6, seems like we have a few million we can spend elsewhere.
     
  2. NUMBERICA

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    In order to give Udoh's role to Bradley, we'd need another backup center.

    Furthermore, the point of this idea is to use the room exception or BAE, which means it wouldn't affect our cap space.
     
  3. LoPo

    LoPo Well-Known Member

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    That's exactly what I'm saying.

    2018-2019 Center rotation: Gobert, Favors, Udoh, Bradley (TOTAL COST - $45 million)
    2019-2020 Center rotation: Gobert, ?, Bradley ($27 so far)

    If we waived Favors and re-signed him to $13 million or less, we would actually be spending $5 million less on the center position in 2019-20 than we did last season.
     
  4. NUMBERICA

    NUMBERICA Well-Known Member

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    ?

    That's not a discount. In no universe is paying $13 million for 12 minutes a game a discount. And he's not signing for that.

    For the purpose of CAP, you don't have to spend ANY of it in acquiring a backup C. That is literally the point of this thread.
     
  5. Saint Cy of JFC

    Saint Cy of JFC Well-Known Member

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    No he wouldn't lmfao. How is he going to play over Favors or Udoh? Don't be dumb.
     
  6. LoPo

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    And the thread didn't prove the point. There are plenty of people on this thread who have said that none of the guys presented could replace what Favors provides.

    Favors is not the idea PF next to Gobert. HOWEVER, there are opponents which would allow him to play the position. If we played Denver or Portland, he would play more than 20-25 minutes per game. Against Houston and GS, he's not going to stay on the floor as much.

    And once again - if we waive Favors and Favors doesn't accept our fair terms ($13 or less), then bye bye Favors. I don't see a team in the league who is going to give him a long term deal making $13+ other than us. Rebuilding Hawks? Why tie up money long term? Dallas? Maybe, but they have bigger targets.
     
  7. stitches

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    He definitely should have been able to beat Udoh for minutes if he was good enough for us to plan on giving him the full back up spot next season.
     
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  8. Saint Cy of JFC

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    The Jazz liked Udoh because of his defense. The Jazz wanted to develop Bradley in the g league. He was never given an opportunity to play minutes in the NBA and it's by design.
     
  9. NUMBERICA

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    It would be great if this was monopoly money with no rules attached to it. As it stands, spending $13 million a year on a backup is a terrible idea. I don't care if we can play him as a PF against bad and mediocre teams. I'm serious about becoming a contender, paying Favors that much and having him play the 4 actively prevents that.
     
  10. NUMBERICA

    NUMBERICA Well-Known Member

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    I don't buy that for a second. Bradley isn't good, the Jazz would be thrilled to play better players rather than worse ones, SO THEY DO.
     
  11. stitches

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    I disagree here. I don't think it was by design. At least not the second year. If your 1st round pick is having trouble getting ANY minutes in the NBA in his second season, I don't think that's by design. I think that's by him not being good enough...
     
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  12. Saint Cy of JFC

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    It's by design clearly. If the Jazz didn't re-sign Favors, he'd be getting minutes. They didn't have the time to develop him in the regular season with Gobert and Favors immaculate health this year, so the few games they missed they just stuck with the stable vet.
     
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  13. Saint Cy of JFC

    Saint Cy of JFC Well-Known Member

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    The Jazz signed Udoh for 2 years for a reason. It was to give Bradley time to marinate in the G League. This year whoever they sign as a backup center they will sign with the idea that they will he competing with Bradley.
     
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  14. Saint Cy of JFC

    Saint Cy of JFC Well-Known Member

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    The Jazz aren't stupid. They knew they were drafting a project who played minutes at their most stacked position.
     
  15. NUMBERICA

    NUMBERICA Well-Known Member

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    The latter part of your post contradicts the former.
     
  16. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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    Dear Jeebus thank you.

    Hey guys we gonna take a guy that is a project but the upside is in 3 or 4 years he may be able to play a few minutes when our best player is off the court. The good news is that neither guy can shoot or dribble so they won't be able to share the court... also we gonna keep Favs in perpetuity and bring in a solid backup 5 to back those two guys up... Stars gonna be real good though.
     
  17. stitches

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    I'm not talking about him getting the Favors minutes. I'm talking about him getting the Udoh minutes. He's not good enough to take even them. This is not by design. This is by him not being good enough.
     
  18. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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    You make that pick hoping he outplays Udoh so you can decline or trade his contract... they put an option in the deal for a reason. he didn't show progress so they guaranteed his salary.

    If he had showed some improvement there were times when Favs was out that he could have gotten some run. he may have been hurt but if he was good enough they could try and find 8-10 minutes here and there.

    It was a rough pick on day one... looks worse now. I hope I will be wrong and we can bump all these threads midseason and make me look dumb... I'm not rooting against the guy... I just don't see any reason to get excited.
     
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  19. LoPo

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    Y'all know Cy and I disagree a ton. But....

    He is absolutely right about Bradley. Just because the guy stayed in the GLeague doesn't mean he can't play. It made more sense for him to play 20+ minutes a night in the GLeague than play 2 minutes a night in the league.

    Don't give up on guys so early. Have faith.
     
  20. silesian

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    Our D is founded on rim protection. Of course he adds spacing, but you either have to pivot your defensive philosophy dramatically when he is on the floor, or accept a major drop in D when he is on the floor.
     

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