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Discussion in 'Utah Jazz' started by Handlogten's Heros, May 14, 2019 at 11:58 AM.

  1. NAOS

    NAOS Well-Known Member

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    There will be match-ups where this works. That's why I put match-ups permitting in my post.
     

  2. Catchall

    Catchall Well-Known Member 2019 Prediction Contest Winner

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    draft Kabengele
     
  3. mellow

    mellow Well-Known Member

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    I would be more likely to hope if I could have seen anything out of him. Admittedly it is a small sample size, and I am not a scout, but what I've seen I have not been hopeful. I think he has soft hands, and a decent shot (with a slow release) so I will the door open a little longer.
     
  4. LoPo

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    He will get a chance this season to prove if he's worth keeping. If he does, great. If he doesn't, we will move on. All I'm asking him to do is fill Udoh's shoes. If he does better, then that's great for us.
     
  5. silesian

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    Everyone knows that Bradley was a project when we drafted him. 2 years in G league were expected.

    That said, I'm not sure what future there is for a big who plays below the rim, is not explosive, and has no range. Who is the most successful NBA player who had those attributes?
     
  6. NAOS

    NAOS Well-Known Member

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    I think Bradley's athleticism has been overly maligned. He isn't a leaper, but he moves pretty well laterally, and has a good second jump.

    I think he can be a good midrange shot-maker. This playoffs is proving how important this part of the game is re-becoming. And I think he can make midrange shots from the most valuable place on the floor for a midrange shot: the baseline.

    And I think he's a good rebounder.

    I don't think we'll open the season with Bradley as our primary back-up C. But, if we move on from Favs, I do think he'll get a legit chance to prove himself.
     
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  7. Jazz4ever

    Jazz4ever Well-Known Member

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    Obviously there is no future if he doesn't get range. Size and athleticism is the same as Nikola Vucevic, who made his first all star game this year. Vuc had a better PER and RPM than Rudy Gobert this year! so he defenitely deserved his all star nod. Vuc started showing some mid range pretty early on though, age 22, so Bradley is going to have to show us something next year or most hope will be lost.
     
  8. Saint Cy of JFC

    Saint Cy of JFC Well-Known Member

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    Why would the Jazz play him over Udoh? They signed Udoh to a 2 year deal to play him for 2 years while Bradley develops in the G-League. You might have missed it, but Udoh was one of the best defensive centers the past two seasons.

    This is not about him not being "good enough". It's about a plan the Jazz are carrying out.
     
  9. jimmy eat jazz

    jimmy eat jazz Well-Known Member

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    If this is true, the Jazz are going to suck hugely.
     
  10. jimmy eat jazz

    jimmy eat jazz Well-Known Member

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    Let me just go on record to say that I like Andy Larsen, a lot. But he's not God, and not all his takes are 100% correct.

    That said, I think he's spot on about Bradley. Bradley is a marginal backup center and is not ready for major minutes on a team that has pretensions to compete/contend.
     
  11. jimmy eat jazz

    jimmy eat jazz Well-Known Member

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    Just out of curiosity, who are the GMs that nail every draft pick, including ones in the 20s?
     
  12. NUMBERICA

    NUMBERICA Well-Known Member

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    They signed Udoh AFTER they drafted Bradley (and saw him in practice and summer league). They also signed Udoh on a one-year guaranteed contract with a 2nd year team option. They then picked it up (after seeing Bradley some more).

    None of how this has played out necessarily suggests that Bradley is good or that the Jazz believe in him. And no, I don't count them picking up an option at the beginning of the season that accounts to pocket-change as belief.

    Besides, in what scenario does it makes sense to use a 1st round pick to draft a pure 5 with no hopes of playing? That's the scenario you laid out.
     
  13. DOA

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    I really like Noah vonleh as a back up
     
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  14. Saint Cy of JFC

    Saint Cy of JFC Well-Known Member

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    The Jazz leapfrogged a team just to draft Bradley. They knew who he was going into it. It's not like it was some giant surprise he was a project.
     
  15. The Thriller

    The Thriller Well-Known Member

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    Yeah guy, that’s not even close to the standard critics of Lindsey are holding him up to. But if creating that straw man makes you feel better, then rock on!
     
  16. The Thriller

    The Thriller Well-Known Member

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    Ooofff. And took Bradley ahead of Josh Hart, Derrick White, and Jordan Bell? Missing out on Kuzma by one pick? Ouch

    Furthermore, we couldn’t see two years ago that the nba was moving away from slow lumbering bigs? Even given the opportunity to play, we really think a slow *** tree trunk won’t be a massive defensive liability? Bradley makes Kanter look agile and fast.
     
  17. The Thriller

    The Thriller Well-Known Member

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    Please list 5 current players less athletic than Bradley in the league. Go
     
  18. jimmy eat jazz

    jimmy eat jazz Well-Known Member

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    Lol. I've read lots of critics of Lindsey here (I'm one myself at times), and perhaps the most common criticism is blowing draft picks, often with reference to picks in the 20s, which seems to be really pushing the argument, but that's not stopping people. So, yeah, not the straw man you'd want it to be.
     
  19. homeytennis

    homeytennis Well-Known Member

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    Niang for one.
     
  20. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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    Did they though... I remember some advanced analytic draft buzz on Bradley and think I remember teams projecting him to have the ability to shoot. At this point I don't think he projects as a shooter at all... quite possibly a really bad shooter. His FT percentage is... ummm… not good.

    I think they took a shot but are likely seeing that it won't work out... It's okay... drafting isn't close to a perfect science.

    My issue with the pick was always the though process behind it. There were lots of bigs in that draft and lots of wing players drafted around our range... I get that if you like your guy you take him, but I didn't see Bradley as a much better project than any of the other bigs. Wings have an easier path to playing time... so why not gamble on one of them? Like we had to know centers were becoming less valuable.

    Several times you have said the comp to him was Aldridge or a poor man's Aldridge... if that is what they thought then sure pick the kid... after two years I'm really comfortable saying he will not be that.
     
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