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Favs Replacements

Handlogten's Heros said:
Look... I'm fairly sure we are about to pivot. Favs has been really good, but his biggest benefit is great backup center play. I think we can get 75%-80% of what he brings and maybe get a little different skillset on the cheap.

The candidates for the room exception or lower (4.5M per year for 2 years):

Dedmon - may be above this pay grade... would give shot blocking and some three point shooting.

Noah Vonleh - Good at moving his feet, good defender, adds some passing... still young so could improve.

Ivica Zubac - he may stay put but his #s per 36 are identical to Favs. If he stays restricted I'm guessing clips retain him for this small of an offer.

Thomas Bryant - Good young player likely gets more than this cuz Wiz pay 200% for every player they can... wiz gonna wiz.

Kyle O Quinn - The most gettable and solid replacement imo.

Minimum Guys

Javale McGee - Goofy AF but productive... can do a homeless man's impression of Rudy.

Tyson Chandler - Old AF and likely stays in LA

Kosta Koufus - Solid center... bring back boom bitches.

Khem Birch - Solid defensive center... buried in Orlando

Ekpe Udoh - We know what he is good and bad at.

Any that I missed? Was only looking at potential bargains not expensive backups.
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I really like Noah vonleh as a back up
 
NUMBERICA said:
They signed Udoh AFTER they drafted Bradley (and saw him in practice and summer league). They also signed Udoh on a one-year guaranteed contract with a 2nd year team option. They then picked it up (after seeing Bradley some more).

None of how this has played out necessarily suggests that Bradley is good or that the Jazz believe in him. And no, I don't count them picking up an option at the beginning of the season that accounts to pocket-change as belief.

Besides, in what scenario does it makes sense to use a 1st round pick to draft a pure 5 with no hopes of playing? That's the scenario you laid out.
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The Jazz leapfrogged a team just to draft Bradley. They knew who he was going into it. It's not like it was some giant surprise he was a project.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
Just out of curiosity, who are the GMs that nail every draft pick, including ones in the 20s?
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Yeah guy, that’s not even close to the standard critics of Lindsey are holding him up to. But if creating that straw man makes you feel better, then rock on!
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The Jazz leapfrogged a team just to draft Bradley. They knew who he was going into it. It's not like it was some giant surprise he was a project.
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Ooofff. And took Bradley ahead of Josh Hart, Derrick White, and Jordan Bell? Missing out on Kuzma by one pick? Ouch

Furthermore, we couldn’t see two years ago that the nba was moving away from slow lumbering bigs? Even given the opportunity to play, we really think a slow *** tree trunk won’t be a massive defensive liability? Bradley makes Kanter look agile and fast.
 
Please list 5 current players less athletic than Bradley in the league. Go
 
The Thriller said:
Yeah guy, that’s not even close to the standard critics of Lindsey are holding him up to. But if creating that straw man makes you feel better, then rock on!
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Lol. I've read lots of critics of Lindsey here (I'm one myself at times), and perhaps the most common criticism is blowing draft picks, often with reference to picks in the 20s, which seems to be really pushing the argument, but that's not stopping people. So, yeah, not the straw man you'd want it to be.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The Jazz leapfrogged a team just to draft Bradley. They knew who he was going into it. It's not like it was some giant surprise he was a project.
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Did they though... I remember some advanced analytic draft buzz on Bradley and think I remember teams projecting him to have the ability to shoot. At this point I don't think he projects as a shooter at all... quite possibly a really bad shooter. His FT percentage is... ummm… not good.

I think they took a shot but are likely seeing that it won't work out... It's okay... drafting isn't close to a perfect science.

My issue with the pick was always the though process behind it. There were lots of bigs in that draft and lots of wing players drafted around our range... I get that if you like your guy you take him, but I didn't see Bradley as a much better project than any of the other bigs. Wings have an easier path to playing time... so why not gamble on one of them? Like we had to know centers were becoming less valuable.

Several times you have said the comp to him was Aldridge or a poor man's Aldridge... if that is what they thought then sure pick the kid... after two years I'm really comfortable saying he will not be that.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
It's by design clearly. If the Jazz didn't re-sign Favors, he'd be getting minutes. They didn't have the time to develop him in the regular season with Gobert and Favors immaculate health this year, so the few games they missed they just stuck with the stable vet.
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But we did re-sign Favors. Because we knew Bradley blows and wasn’t qualified or ready to play any sort of meaningful NBA minutes.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
Lol. I've read lots of critics of Lindsey here (I'm one myself at times), and perhaps the most common criticism is blowing draft picks, often with reference to picks in the 20s, which seems to be really pushing the argument, but that's not stopping people. So, yeah, not the straw man you'd want it to be.
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Absolutely it’s a straw man. Your original post insinuated that my criticism is based on him not nailing every pick. Which clearly isn’t the case. If the Jazz aren’t going to score in free agency then they cannot have misses in the draft. Lindsey hasn’t just erred in late first round picks, but also mid first and lottery picks too.
 
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